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Henry Tandey VC and Adolph Hiltler
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I confess I seem to have missed the assertions that Pte Tandey of the Green Howards "spared the life of Cpl Hitler" when their respective units clashed on 28 September 1918.  And that Hitler is said to have verified (some of) the details.  Before becoming too attached to the idea, it would be as well to read:

http://rememberwhen.gazettelive.co.uk/2010/08/how-a-green-howard-nearly-shot.html#more  Not sure how much credence to place on it - is it Tandey or Tandy?

The rememberwhen site does a great line of 1st April stories (which I'm sure some will enjoy) - the two most recent being:

http://rememberwhen.gazettelive.co.uk/2010/04/the-middlesbrough-millipede.html#more
http://rememberwhen.gazettelive.co.uk/2011/04/teessides-battlecruiserthe-shi.html#more

... but the Tandey/Tandy story is not one of those - it's a perfectly sober analysis.

I guess the story is simply too beguiling to simply lie down and die, as it seems it should.



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oh no, the "groin" story again...I guess some other private of the Green Howards was responsible for that...

Kieffer



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I've always been amazed that this was taken very seriously. To make the connection, based on a painting of an incident that took place 4 years previously, and say "that's the chap who nearly shot me, 4 years later, somewhere else" seems optimistic to say the very least.
Mind you, it's Hitler we're talking about, so anything's possible.

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True, worse than an "amoral and megalomaniacal dictator with bad advisors" he was also a politician - and that breed omits no opportunity to advance their image and ambition by whatever means. Advancing, in this case, the Frontsoldat image which was a key part of the appeal to the military, the intellectuals and the "workers" as he was scrabbling for power.In National-Socialist Germany, the transfer of the system of values and the decency of the front-line soldier to the whole of public life is being completed.(Militär-Wochenblatt, 18 April 1934).Arbeiter der Stirn der Faust - wählt den Frontsoldaten Hitler!(Nazi election poster, 1933)

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Propaganda or no propaganda, I would have sworn that Hitler really did serve on the front lines of the Western Front?  And he won an Iron Cross?



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@LongTom:

Yes he served at the Western Front.

As far as i remember, these medals were awarded to AH (in order of date):

Prussian Iron Cross 2nd Class
Bavarian Military Merit Cross 3rd Class with Swords
Prussian Wound Badge in Black
Prussian Iron Cross 1st Class
Bavarian Medal for Military Service 3rd Class

It is said that he also received a Regiments Diploma for Bravery.

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Yes, he was no "wannabe", his front-line service was real enough and sufficiently meritorious to be commented upon and capitalised upon long before he had the power do any "retrospective enhancement". Thanks for the list Christoph, I don't think I have seen that before.

Steve

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Can't find it now, but somewhere on the forum is a link to paintings that AH did of scenes of the Front and the village where he was billeted.



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This book should be the final word on his WW1 service so far:

http://books.google.de/books?id=apHywznYUbsC&printsec=frontcover&dq=hitler%27s+first+world+war&hl=de&ei=flf3TauNIpD1-gahu5n0Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false



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Thanks for that Pat. The books.google.de presentation is a little fragmented but Thomas Weber's analysis of his WW1 service paints it in a very "ordinary" light indeed. I note Weber has reverted to original sources and makes it clear/alleges he is, for many of those, the first to do so and thus the first to integrate much of the available material into any coherent analysis. His starting point is that the national post-war "gravitas" of the man has cast that earlier service in an unrealistic light and he (Weber) presses that point throughout his further research while admitting it is mostly negative evidence in support of it. That would be natural and understandable under the circumstances he proposes/implies.

Food for thought at the very least. Hitler was a politician, first and foremost, dedicated to attaining and holding power by influence (and yes, by force, but that is never successful without reaching some prerequisite tipping point of influence). Given my generally low opinion of politicians (and of AH in particular) I guess it should come as no real surprise if the Frontsoldat image was milked for all it was worth and somewhat beyond that point as well. It's just that he initially had so much resistance within the Reichswehr and within the OKH (Army High Command) in particular it would be difficult to see how he could push it past the point of acceptance by those stern critics. At the end of the day he was awarded (amongst other decorations) the Iron Cross, First Class which was a rare distinction for a Corporal which was his highest rank. I don't believe that has been challenged, it was not "ordinary" at all and I didn't see that Weber addressed it, on my quick scan.

I don't particularly want to know about the man but of course the more we understand about how he came to power, the more likely future mistakes of that sort could be avoided. Stephen Fry, in "Making History" suggests if it weren't Hitler it might have been someone worse. Fantasy of course, but a serious idea nonetheless given the sea of complexity in post-war German politics. Anyway, AH embellishing the hazard of his volunteer service (which is where this thread started) was, I think, a minor tactic within the larger story. "The German Army and the Nazi Party, 1933-1939" by Robert J. O'Neill deals with Hitler and the NS party's feat of sustained legerdemain in "winning over" the German Army high command in a period when there was no constitutional subordination of it to the political leadership of the nation. That deals more directly with the "key" personalities, the events and the mechanisms and processes involved (yes, pretty turgid) and entailed digging back to original sources as well. Hitler's war record is treated as a fairly minor part of it all (and not challenged, not even researched AFAICT), but an important part in the early days of his rise.

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