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I have a Photo Archive called Dontforgetthedigger.com.au

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Home Page/ Photo Gallery/ Image Categories/ Australian Light Horse/ Digger Unknown 366

Question can anybody Identify the WW1 Tank, Type and Its location??????



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Hard to tell the name; maybe War Baby or Nutty, would be my guesses.

Definitely a Tank Mark I, around Gaza. smile



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Wow you actually know the name of each tank.
1st or 2nd Battle of Gaza ????

How many tanks in both battles if possible???

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This link should work

http://www.dontforgetthediggers.com.au/galleryImg_large.asp?galID=27&galImgID=366

Doesnt look like Nutty to me the sponson looks different, Nutty had heavy damage to the sponson including a hole just forward of it, it may be War Baby but looks to deeply buried to me...

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It can't be "War Baby" or "Nutty". The tank in the photo is a male. Also the photo needs to be flipped around because the top hatch is on the wrong side. Two things make me think that this isn't a Gaza tank. The first is the Solomon camouflage visible on the side of the tank and the sponson. The second is the file name itself. Zonnebeke isn't in Gaza.

P.S. After checking a few more photos, I think it may be C1 "Champagne". The camouflage pattern is, as near as I can tell, a perfect match. So definitely not Gaza.



-- Edited by Mark Hansen on Tuesday 12th of July 2011 10:23:24 PM

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Hi Mark I agree its C1 Champagne the hanging track on the right horn is in same position camo looks same as well..

Heres both pics together for comparison I resized the AWM pic

The description at the AWM for the secound color pic is:

ID number P03631.210

Photographer Hurley, James Francis (Frank)

Object type Colour - Glass Paget plate half plate

Place made France: Picardie, Somme, Pozieres

Date made 1917

Collection Photograph

Description The derelict hulk of a British tank on the Pozieres battlefield. This Mark I Male tank, C1, (Champagne), belonged to C Company, Heavy Machine Gun Corps, later to become the Tank Corps. It was one of seven tanks assigned to the Canadian 2nd and 3rd Divisions for their attack on Courcelette, and German positions to the south and east of the village on 15 September 1916. The 2nd Division attacked from prepared positions across the Albert to Bapaume road toward Bapaume and to the north of the road with the village of Courcelette as their first objective. Of the seven tanks assigned to the attack on Courcelette, one broke down before the attack, three became bogged in German trenches, two reached Courcelette, although only one was still in action beyond Courcelette. C1 was commanded by Lieutenant (Lt) A. G. C. Wheeler, Machine Gun Corps (MGC), and the crew from the MGC included, 2527 Sergeant F. J. Saker, 2801 Gunner (Gnr) E. H. Bax, 2720 Gnr W. N. Smith, 2736 Gnr F. C. Stone, 2602 Gnr G. G. Lloyd, 2752 Gnr H. Rothera and the driver M2/105514 Private (Pte) H. Brotherwood, Army Service Corps. Lt Wheeler and his crew reached their start position at 0400 on the extreme left of the divisional area after moving through the ruins of Pozieres. C1's steering had been damaged by German shellfire during the night and although this had been repaired the driver Pte Brotherwood must have had a very difficult time keeping the tank on track, avoiding old trenches, the many shell craters and the growing number of Canadian causalities falling in the tanks path. The terrain was so difficult that the tank could not keep up with the infantry and the speed was reduced to around 10 yards per minute until at about 0700 when the tank bellied out and although the tracks were still turning the tank had stopped. Lt Wheeler later placed the tank at map reference R35a 3.9. The crew tried to dig the tank out, but after laboring for four hours and just as Lt Wheeler was about to abandon the task, a shell landed nearby and a fragment severed Pte Brotherwood's jugular; he died two minutes later. The tank was abandoned on the battlefield. Pte Brotherwood is buried in the Pozieres cemetery. This action on 15 September 1916 at Flers and Courcelette was the first time tanks were used on the Western Front. The Tank Corps Memorial, commemorating this action, is near the Windmill site on the Albert to Bapaume Road, just to the east of Pozieres, not far from where this photograph was taken. Source: The Tanks at Flers by Trevor Pidgeon, Fairmile Books Cobham, England. Pp 125-128
This is an original Paget Plate negative. The same image is available in black and white and is held at E02328.

 

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-- Edited by Ironsides on Tuesday 12th of July 2011 11:17:06 PM

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Yep. That looks conclusive to me. Well done, Mark, an excellent answer for Mr Curry.



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O.K. Guys I am very impressed with the site.

The response was very quick and good minds working on the task. Thank You very much for making it correct.
I will also place you on my other WW1 A.I.F. Research Website called CURRYWW1.COM in the very new feature.
It has a good PHOTO GALLERY of the western front 7 years of work and still adding to it
TAKE CARE and if any other tank stuff comes up I know where to go.

Bullecourt Museum I made a special map by placing the known tanks at the start point and
where they finally ended up and superimposed a Goole Map underneath





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