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I have this picture of a Vickers 75mm. Aside from a notion that it is pre-WW1, I don't know anything about it. Can anybody fill in the blanks, please?

It looks very close to the 18pdr, but slightly different.



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Hi PDA a better pic here...

vickers 75mm MK X field gun at Eskmeals Gun Range   date?

 

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A possibility is that the Vickers Mark X was one of the competitors in the 1902 evaluation trials for a British field gun to replace the BL 15 Pounder which was obsoleted by modern guns with recoil/recuperation. The final 18 Pounder gun was an amalgam of features of some of the competing guns since none of the competitor guns proved entirely satisfactory.

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That sounds like a very good starting point, Charlie.

Thanks for the reminder about their archive, Ironsides. Too bad they didn't put dates on anything!



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Hi PDA, I thought about the trials that Charlie mentions but was'nt able to find any info to back it up(like who supplied what), there a lot of reasons why the gun may have a passing resemblence to the 18pdr but be 75mm caliber instead, one could be that its intended as an export model where the gun may have obtained a totally different designation on delivery, Vickers MKX just being the prototype name.. one assumes there must have been nine otheres before it.. maybe asking the Archive will get a result?

Did you notice the 1928-31 Bolivian 75s...

http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive/browser.asp?subject=Armaments&title=Field+Weapon&subtitle=Field+Gun&searchtype=1&deepcriteria=75mm+gun+bolivia

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Hi ironsides; no, I didnt see those. Thanks for pointing them out.

I got side-tracked looking for more photos of Vickers first turreted tank (was it Britains first fully-rotating turreted tank?):



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Hi PDA found this Patent dated 1905 slightly different to the MKX photo but the carraige looks very close... I think in the photo the barrel of the gun is run back somewhat...

the small "mkx" in the patent description is my own addition and is not official

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I think you're right - that's the same carriage. The gun is different, I think, but the carriage looks the same.



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Hi PDA  The date is 1905, US patents seem to be several years behind British Patents  but not always, I think what it does prove though is the carraige is a Vickers design and is close to the 18pdr, I think theres too much of a coincidence for there not to be some connection.... still looking for the European patent to confirm date...

 

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The Vickers gun looks a lot like the 15 Pounder Erhardt gun - probably reasonable since British manufacturers had no experience with the design of field pieces with recoil/recuperators (Naval systems weren't designed to absorb all the recoil - only to reduce recoil forces so the mounting wasn't damaged).

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Found it the British patent is no is GB190402919A  still 1904 though... 

 

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PDA's photo of the turreted Tank is highly interesting. Seems to be based on a Medium Mk C. I should very much like to know more about that, if such a thing is possible.



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@Ironsides. You are a regular Sherlock Holmes! Well done, mate, and thank you.

@Charlie. Nothing like a bit of reverse engineering when you can't think of anything original. It reminded me, also, of the 15pdr. I think because at first glance the end of the recuperator appears angled like that on the Ehrhardt.

@James. New thread started. The tank is called Vickers Tank No.1.



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