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compound eye


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Hi, been a while since I've posted here... - two countries later, one toddler son, several jobs and a whole lot of other stuff later,... I'm getting back into WWI by way of my growing Blandford collection.

I've always loved the U-wagen/G-wagen and am pleased to see so many good photographs of it [and the A7V] emerging, if not 1/35 models of it.

However, I recently discovered - thru Google - mention of an Orionwagen trackbed that was converted for use as a munitionschlepper along the lines of the U-wagen, with a central raised drivers position, BUT with armoured - or at least metal - track skirts and cargo-bed sidewalls.

I can only find this one picture of it -

179419d1317218461t-1918-year-offensives-a8166994.png

...via Google images, that was posted to an aircraft forum. Neither they, or the web at large seem to have any more on this vehicle BUT it does look like it'd be a fab project to build. Can anyone here assist with further info or images?

Thanks in advance for any assistance

 



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There is an unusual photograph containing the above vehicle in the fabulous "Sturmpanzer A7V First of the Panzers" by Rainer Strasheim and Max Hundleby, Tankograd publications No. 1001, on page 91. The caption reads as follows:

"Date: Autumn of 1918. Location: Proving ground adjacent to the Daimler plant at Marienfelde near Berlin. This picture is remarkable not because it shows the prototype of the LKII gun tank but because it shows (in the background) Orion tracked lorries of the former A.K.K.(R) 1116, returned to Marienfelde and parked there until further notice. "

The original photograph is a lot clearer (and also not as cropped you can see an additional vehicle on the left hand side) and credited to the Rainer Strasheim Collection, but Ive used an example from the Bundesarchiv website  - their photograph reference number is in the bottom left hand corner. Im hoping the example is deliberately of poor quality as you can purchase copies from the archive's website. However, if you havent already got the A7V book it might make a lot more economic sense to purchase this instead because of the wealth of other superb images contained therein.



-- Edited by Matt Adamson on Monday 20th of February 2012 03:30:38 PM

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Thanks for that. I am considering that book seriously in any case - in the likelihood I WONT splash on the original super expensive Hundleby... if it is still a worthwhile reference after this new book? I want to buy Spielberger's Rad und Vollketten Radfahrzeug first.

I am currently talking with David at Bov. about what info he might have - and he's sent me some nice Dur-wagen as Ulw photos. Do you have a URL for the Bundesarchiv? What sort of collection do they have on WWI German armour?



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compound eye wrote:
Do you have a URL for the Bundesarchiv?

 

I used a mighty web search tool to dig this out:

http://www.bundesarchiv.de/index.html.en

http://www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/cross-search/search/_1330003338/?search[page]=1



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I went on www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/topicsearch.php

Then I followed the following links:

Sachklassification/B(1.Weltkrieg 1914-1918)/Bd(Truppen-und Formationgeschichte)/BD100/200(Heer)/Bd 150 (Panzer Truppen)

There are about 45 WW1 armour related photographs listed there, although I'm sure the archive as a whole must contain considerably more images.



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