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drakegoodman


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Gentlemen,

Can anyone please assist with (a) a possible time-frame and (b) confirmation the impotent FT in the foreground is some kind of recovery vehicle. I've never seen another example.

Clicking on the image should give you the option to choose "original size". There are some serials on the tanks to assist those in the know smile

Thanks in advance. Brett

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CharlieC


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The Renault in the foreground is a TSF (radio tank) - the small frame above the tail is for the aerial.

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Charlie



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Bret:
The tank in the foreground is a Char Renault TSF, a communications vehicle. Timeframe estimate is post 1919, as the Tanker in front of the tank is wearing a pattern of the Adrian adopted in 1919. Also, all of the tankers in the background are wearing the beret adopted by French tankers in 1919.

Great image, by the way!
John

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drakegoodman


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Thank-you gentlemen, much appreciated!

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TSF - Transmission Sans-Fil or Wireless Communication.
Here's the hull of one, that turned up in Poland, earlier this year.


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Pzkpfw-e wrote:

TSF - Transmission Sans-Fil or Wireless Communication.
Here's the hull of one, that turned up in Poland, earlier this year.


 Really in Poland??very inspired info - i must miss some news...

Who have this hull in private collection??And will be reconstructed??



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Pzkpfw-e


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Unknown owner.
Looks like a complete shell, so a lot of work to restore it.

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françois vauvillier


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Hello Everybody,

Back to the initial post, Brett's photograph is indeed a beautiful one.

I would not date it c. 1919 but rather c.1923-25, given the soft skin vehicle partly visible on the foreground. It is a Citroën staff car. And although it does not show on the picture, I would bet my two hands it is a Citroën-Kégresse. These half-tracked all-ground liaison cars (voiture de liaison tous terrains or VLTT) first appeared in 1922 in the French Amy.

As for the location of the photograph, I regret there is no written indication (may be on the reverse of the photograph ?). The landspace seems a bit odd for France. I wonder if itsn't in Morocco where several tank companies were operating during the Rif War (1925-1926)

De Paris, cordialement

François



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françois vauvillier wrote:

Hello Everybody,

Back to the initial post, Brett's photograph is indeed a beautiful one.

I would not date it c. 1919 but rather c.1923-25, given the soft skin vehicle partly visible on the foreground. 

 Francois, if you read jagjetta's post again, he didn't say IN 1919, he said POST 1919 - that means after 1919.



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françois vauvillier wrote:

Hello Everybody,

Back to the initial post, Brett's photograph is indeed a beautiful one.

I would not date it c. 1919 but rather c.1923-25, given the soft skin vehicle partly visible on the foreground. It is a Citroën staff car. And although it does not show on the picture, I would bet my two hands it is a Citroën-Kégresse. These half-tracked all-ground liaison cars (voiture de liaison tous terrains or VLTT) first appeared in 1922 in the French Amy.

As for the location of the photograph, I regret there is no written indication (may be on the reverse of the photograph ?). The landspace seems a bit odd for France. I wonder if itsn't in Morocco where several tank companies were operating during the Rif War (1925-1926)

De Paris, cordialement

François

Thank-you François, your information regarding the staff car and possible location is very welcome. I shall update my narrative on Flickr accordingly.

Sadly there is nothing on the reverse of the photo to help us.

Cheers,

Brett



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françois vauvillier


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Breaking news.

The nice photograph discussed below was not taken in Morocco , but in 'Camp des Garrigues", near Nîmes, South of France.

Cordialement

François

 



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Excellent. Thank-you François!

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Hello, Peter. Tried this message to the rocketmail address but it bounced back.

Was just reading your entry on the Renault TSF & thought you might like to know that the Saumur example, while the only complete vehicle, is not the only survivor. If you look thru the rather exhaustive gallery of surviving FT17s & variants linked below, scroll down to near the bottom & youll see pix of 2 additional TSF hulls (only) in France & 1 in Poland (possibly a survivor of the Russo-Polish War that somehow evaded being scrapped during WWII & all the subsequent years).

 

http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_FT-17.pdf

 

best,

Michael von Glahn

 

(Merged from anonymous Guest Book entry - Rectalgia)



-- Edited by Rectalgia on Thursday 10th of May 2012 04:08:44 AM

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Above (was pending) retrieved & merged from a new topic in the Guest Book, dropped into latest topic here mentioning the radio tank (maybe should be elsewhere?) - but as an "anonymous" post doesn't trigger the new post event. Hence this post.

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Sorry, have learned my reference yesterday (5/9/12) to a Polish TSF hull being a possible Russo-Polish war survivor was in error, as the Poles didn't buy their half-dozen TSFs until 1924, 2 years after the war ended. However, the intact hull does support the contention that the Poles probably never followed through on their 1930s plan to rebuild their TSFs w/new turrets housing a 37mm gun & coax MG.

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-- Edited by Rectalgia on Friday 11th of May 2012 05:58:26 AM

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To be precise, we should not say "TSF" but " Tg.S.F." this means " Télégraphie sans fil"

gemsco



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