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Vilkata

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The WWI British tank insignia looked like a simplified British rhomboid. All of the WWI tank pins had likenesses of real tanks on them - except one. The WWI USA Tank Service first pattern insignia.

Off hand, I cant find a really good image of it... But I have seen excellent reproductions of the original pin on Ebay. I would like to get one at some point.

It looks like a cross between an A7V and a Schneider! Do you think this tank ever actually existed? Oh, surely it was never built. But perhaps it was designed in blueprint form at some point?

I just find it interesting that the tank insignia shows a tank that never existed.

http://i3.ebayimg.com/03/i/05/88/75/72_1.JPG
http://www.derdienst.com/images/us/eus-23.jpg
http://www2.powercom.net/~rokats/em_ww1tc.html#TC

If anyone can find better images of the pin, that would be really helpful!

---Vil.

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Roger Todd

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Hi Vilkata,


Well, here's the pin:



To me, it looks quite a lot like this design that was never built:





It was a design by the Automatic Machine Company of Bridgeport, Connecticut, dated 14 July 1915 ('Firepower: A History of the American Heavy Tank' R P Hunnicutt). There is no front view, but the sloping sides, the upturned prow, and the fact that on the pin (but not the other images) there are, apart from the two outermost guns on the sides, also three guns above the upturned prow, plus the little cupola atop, all make it strongly suggestive...



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Tim Rigsby

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Hello Guys


  You are quite right Roger, with your assumption. The American Tank Service Insignia and Patch were designed to resemble this early example of an American Tank. One may not no this, but America put forth at least 20 designs for tanks during the war, and over 100 patens were applied for, for Armoured Cars.


All The Best


Tim R.


 


 



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Vilkata

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My oh my!!!

That is incredible!

Thank you very much for posting that!

That is simply incredible. The wealth of knowledge and the sheer size of the personal reference libraries of this little community is staggering.

That tank looks pretty interesting too! It seems like the drawings are complete enough that someone could make a model of this vehicle too!

And you know... Those are without a doubt the most stylish drive & idler wheels I have ever seen on a tank.

---Vil.

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Peter Kempf

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Yes, I can only agree with Vilkata: there is an amazing amount of knowledge gathered here on our community!


/Peter K



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Vilkata

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A-hah! This is what I meant.
http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/jebmil/.mids/255p.jpg
http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/jebmil/.mids/256p.jpg

That's actually an original 'hat badge'.

The detail on that picture is far superior to the other images I linked to. I like that Automatic Land Cruiser. Really cool.

---Vil.

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Vilkata

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DOH!

Here we go again... Even BETTER pictures... Best you'll ever find without actually going out and buying one of these hat badges.




---Vil.

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Hi!

Great site and discussion! I am very impressed by this American "Automatic Land Cruiser". In order to build a scale model of it, is it possible to read any of the measurements on the drawing? I do not have the original Hunnicut's book.

Thanks in advance for any help which will allow to complete my 1/200 collection of AFV history. I attach my "fardier de Cugnot", a French steam car of the XVIII° Century.

Paul



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Legend

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That's actually a very clear scan of what is in the book, i.e. the book does not show measurements.

Somebody in this thread mentions patents, so you might be lucky enough to find the patent for this machine and that might contain measurements (one would certainly hope so).



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Legend

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Doesnt seem to be anything under the designers name Norman Leeds?, apparantly two mock up hulls were built Automatic Land Cruiser 1 and 2

Cheerssmile



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If this link works it will take you to a thorough explanation of the US Tank Corps and Tank Service insignia. Some interesting items -  it seems the US used images of rhomboids for many years after WWI. And the author claims that the button that started this discussion actually depicted a French tank. Hmmm. A Saint-Chamond possibly, but it looks much more like the one Roger T shows.



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