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Vilkata

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I was just perusing my mysterious little Russian book, and I noticed some stuff I hadn't caught before. The book is about early armor, up to about 1918.

Now, these are probably very unimportant, but I thought I would post them anyways - simply because I don't have the foggiest idea what they are.

Neat Single-Band Tracked Vehicle with lots of additional wheels, presumably for steering:


At first I thought this was the FCM-1A. Then I thought it was a modified FT-17. Then my mind went blank, and now Im posting it here:


The infamous SNAIL TANK. The snails of Russia became super intelligent and tried to conqour the world in these advanced fighting machines:


Im sure these are nothing, but you never know with WWI research! They might just be important in some way, so I thought i'd scan the pics and post them.

---Vil.

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Robert Robinson

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The photo is of the Char Delauney-Belleville Medium tank 1918-1920 and your instinct was right it was a stretched Renault FT

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David Maynard

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At first I thought this was the FCM-1A. Then I thought it was a modified FT-17. Then my mind went blank, and now Im posting it here:


Looks like an FT-17 on steroids! The caption suggests it's French and made by Delauny-Belleville, who did build FT-17s. Couldn't find anything like it on Chars Francais though.



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Robert Robinson

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Its shown in Tanks of the World 1915 -1945 by Chamberlain & Ellis Pub 1972 it was based on the FT 17 but with an extra crew man, a much more powerful engine and a seperate hydraulic transmission for each track linked to the turret so that the tank could be steered by pointing the gun. Topspeed 12 mph

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David Maynard

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Spelling Delauney-Belleville properly would have helped me find it a little more easily


http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/france/France-Other.html


and it was on Chars Francais, but without a picture


http://www.chars-francais.net/archives/char-de-bataille_1924.htm


 



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Vilkata

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Your right! I was just flipping through my Tanks of the World 1915-1945 book, and I had never really noticed it before, but the Delauney-Belleville Medium Tank is in there.

"This tank was an outgrowth of the Renault FT built in prototype form by the Delaunay-Belleville company in 1918-20. It embodiedsome very advanced design features such as two William-Janney hydraulic transmissions (one for either track) which were interconnected to a gun-laying device located in the turret, so the tank could be steered by laying the gun on its target. 13 tons; crew 3; 1 37mm gun in turret and 2 8mm MG in hull front;armour 16mm; engine (1 Renault, gasoline) 100hp, liquid cooled; 12 mph; 16.48ft x 6.95ft x 8.33 ft."

That's pretty cool. Pretty fast too! Was this design started before the armistice (a true WWI tank)? Or was it started after? Same with the Leger Peugeot Light Tank. It was it was built in 1918-19.

To be a true WWI tank, the vehicle would have to have been built, or designed, before armistice I think.

---Vil.


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eugene

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The first caption reads early holt tracktor
second one french medium tank it grew out of ft-17 project
called Delone Belvile
last one
the snail tank 1917 only project of that engineer

I can read russian so any questions just email me or post away



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eugene

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it also says that the snail tank had steam roler for the front not wheels but a steam roller
thats quite original or mad you decide

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Tim Rigsby

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Hello Guys


  I personally think the snail tank is awsome, It shows us that Russia even with out are large industry, still had some great and maybe mad inventors.


Awesome!!!!!!!!


All The Best


Tim R.



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Legend

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Remember the first picture at the top of this thread, the odd single-tracked machine with outriggers?



Eugene pointed out that the Russian caption said that it was a Holt.


Well, here's the proof that it is, indeed, Holt-related:



It is one of the drawings from Benjamin Holt's patent of 1911 (GB191105857) for 'Improvements Relating to Road Vehicles with Self-laying Track'.



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