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I had come to this site looking for pictures of WW1 tanks that I used to help build some toys from.
When I came across the A7V picture below while going through family photos, I thought I'd like to share it here.

This is a scan directly out of a family photo album. The photos are glued on to the paper.
Jim was one of my grandmother's brothers who served in WW1. (I believe there were three. I have some trench art from one of the others.)

In pen is written "Verdun 1919" and the name of my great uncle.
In the margin in very light pencil it appears to say "Reime" (it doesn't seem to be Reims)

I can see that this tank is labeled "V"

A7V Verdun

Two other photos on the page seemed to have been taken about the same time and they are also labeled "Verdun 1919"

These look like French 75s

75s Verdun

This looks to me like it could be a wrecked German 105. I'm sure someone here could tell for sure at a glance.

Wrecked German 105

So... Let me display my ignorance, What tank was "V"? Number and name.



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That's fantastic! Could you post bigger scans please? I'm sure someone here will be able to help ID the tank. What's sort of trench art from your other great-uncles, by the way?

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Take a look at the last photo in this thread - I think it's the same tank. As far as I can tell, the name is "Nixe".

If correct about the name, this thread has a link to a French forum that tells of a "Nixe II" that was packed onto a train at Reims in summer 1919, and may have ended up in the USA (my understanding of French is rather limited) until 1942 or so, when it was presumably scrapped.



-- Edited by TinCanTadpole on Wednesday 14th of November 2012 12:48:20 AM



-- Edited by TinCanTadpole on Wednesday 14th of November 2012 12:48:47 AM

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Certainly consistent with the data in Handleby and Strasheim's "Sturmpanzer A7V". This says #529 Nixe II was knocked out by 75mm hits on the left side during

an action North of Reims on 31 May 1918 and abandoned after unsuccessful salvage attempts. The tank had large hole cut in the front armour in an

unsuccessful attempt by the French to remove the gun. The tank was handed over to the US Army in July 1919,  transported to the US and exhibited at Aberdeen

until 1942 when it was scrapped.

Regards,

Charlie



-- Edited by CharlieC on Wednesday 14th of November 2012 06:39:12 AM

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Here is a larger view. The "V" between the crosses is visible.

Again, If anyone knows that tank off hand, I'd appreciate it.
(From what I've seen of this site, I'd be surprised if someone couldn't provide me with the rivet count and the name of the tank commander's milkman. I continue to be stunned and impressed with the depth of knowledge here.)

The next toy A7V I make will definitely be this one.

.A7V Verdun

I might be using the term trench art too broadly but I think of it as stuff made by soldiers from what is left around.

What I have from Jim's brother Ed is a letter opener that has an engraved brass blade and a bullet and cartridge body. I'll take a picture of it tonight but I believe it says "Chateau Thierry" on it

There is also a brass clip of some sort. (Seems too big to be a money clip) It is etched with his unit names, the date and place. Again, I'll post a picture.



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Is that not supposed to be the Kaiser Eagle emblem?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Wappen_Deutsches_Reich_-_Reichsadler.png/521px-Wappen_Deutsches_Reich_-_Reichsadler.png

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I think the eagle is an optical illusion. If you close one eye, it's a Roman V over an old Iron Cross.



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Acc to Rainer S. and Max H., the vehicle is 529, Nixe II, put out of action north of Reims in May 1918 (so I would think the pencil inscription is Reims). Officially handed over to US Army in July 1919 and, as TCT says, at APG until scrapped in 1942.



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Roger,

Here are the two pieces from Jim's brother. They were from Minnesota and were both in the US Army.

My grandmother had three brothers who served and survived the war. She told me though that all three died within a year or two of returning home in accidents.

At least two of which involved railroad accidents.

Here is the letter opener. It looks to be an 8mm Lebel round manufactured in 1910.

I doubt it is something he made. It looks more like something he would have purchased as a souvenir.

Leter OpenerPrimer Head Stamp

Here is the clip that mentioned. Again, not sure of its use but I'm pretty sure it is his engravings. His name is on the narrow side not showing.

Front - World War 1914-1918 Sovenir (sic) (I just misspelled it above as well and corrected it. I guess it runs in the family smile

Rear - La Rochelle Apr 4.1919 France 31 ENGRS and a castle logo (for US Engineers).

Clip FrontClip Rear

So here is an interesting part - The 31st were Railway Engineers.

Don't know if the brothers were in the same unit or not but it would explain them working on the railroad once they got home. Also makes me wonder if they had anything to do with loading "Nixie II" on the train at Reims.

I also have a Victory Medal and some of my Grandfather's US Marine medals. He was in the service at the time but did not go overseas.

My mother's father did serve in France with the US Army even though he was very recent immigrant to the US who I doubt had vitually any English language skills at the time. His brother was in the Italian Army and was taken prisoner. He eventually ended up in the White Russian Army (!) and then found his way to the US and his brother. He died right before I was born, so I never got to meet him but heard stories growing up.

Thanks to everyone here who helped ID the tank for me. I now see the camo scheme that it needs to be painted in. When I build that toy, I'll be sure to post finished pictures.



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Just noticed that the photo of captured Nixe II in the Tankograd book shows what looks like two Americans.






-- Edited by James H on Saturday 17th of November 2012 02:51:31 PM

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Apologies if you know already, but the clip (without seeing how high the gap is) could be a matchbox cover

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Hi TMD, Dont know if you have seen this...

http://portraitsofwar.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/wwi-photo-collection-31st-railway-engineers-in-france/

 

Cheerswink



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Ironsides wrote:

 

Hi TMD, Dont know if you have seen this...

http://portraitsofwar.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/wwi-photo-collection-31st-railway-engineers-in-france/

 

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 Wow.



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Hi TMD theres a history of the 31st online here:

History of the 31st railway engineers of the A. E. ... . Studley, George M.

Hope this helps

Cheerswink

Edit could the brass clip be a document clip for letters and such?

 



-- Edited by Ironsides on Friday 16th of November 2012 10:57:06 PM

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Funny, I saw that page for the first time last night before I posted the trench art pictures. The bottom of what Rob ID'ed as a possible match box cover has my great uncle's name and what I think says "131 Co." which doesn't make sense to me. It is a "one" not an "eye."  I'll give it another look tonight. Having said that.. I think the guy all the way to the right (A) with his arm on the other guy's shoulder looks like him.

On the other hand... The guy under "B" sure looks like Bob Crane, Colonel Hogan himself, to me. So safe to say, I may not be the best judge of these things.smile

A Company 31st

This site has been a tresure trove for me. I really appreciate the friendly and free flow of information. Can't wait to share with my siblings.

Thanks again.



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Nixe II, with 3 Americans.



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Ironsides,

Outstanding. Thanks for sending me that. It answers a big question for me.

On page 18 it says that on December 6,1918 Company A changed it's name to "1st Company, Transportation Corps, 14th Grand Division."

So, in April 1919 when he wrote "131 Co." it was because it was no longer Company A, but 1st Company.

I scanned for his name and his brother's but did see it. They were not officers. Besides the officer lists it is mainly groups like the band listed there.
I will go back and read more about where A/1st Company spent its time.

From what my grandmother told me, both of then died soon after returning to the US in railroad accidents. They wouldn't have been around to join any post-war reunion groups.

It is funny to find out about things about someone who died 40+ years before I was born based on just little trinkets that he held on to.
I'll start delving in a little deeper to find out more about  that side of my family now.


Great stuff. Thanks again to everyone here.



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Great picture. It looks like it is the other side of the tanks and was taken when it was colder than when the picture of my great uncle was.

Although, he was a Minnesota farm boy, so maybe the chill didn't bother him!

What a beast of a machine.



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I couldn't help but notice the traffic on my blog from this website and came over to check it out.  What was your relatives name?  I have the company roster for Company A of the 31st and wouldn't mind tracking down his name.  Very cool! Glad my site was of some use. 

 

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PortraitsofWar,

I sent you a message under your account with the family name. Feel a little funny about posting it in public. Let me know if you didn't get it and thanks again for being willing to do that.

Rob,

I saw some other matchbox covers/vaults. You are correct it is definitely that. Would not have guessed that in a dozen years. I don't smoke but I think I go find a properly sized matchbox just to keep in it.

Thanks again to everyone.

 



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Nixe II in-situ near Rheims.




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