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Hi, I'm no train expert so I'm hoping someone here can help me out.

I'm building a 1/72 scale Mogul 43XX class as a ROD train but can't work out what colour it should be, ROD 5322 preserved at Didcot is painted in a light tan-brown colour but all the wartime pictures I've seen of ROD trains are very dark almost black looking... any ideas?

Thanks a lot†



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Bernie

You have opened up a can of worms !!!! It was thought for many years that the colour was as you said Black.Now the general consensus is a very dark grey.Preserved examples of engines used by the WDLR are coming out in a dark grey.But,when they restored one of the Baldwin 4-6-0's that was repatriated from India,they found traces of Black.

I don't think they would have been that tan colour.I would go for Black.But I didn't tell you that !!!!!



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I'd agree with black or dark grey. I'm certain the North Eastern Railway T1 class that went to France came back in grey. There's at least 4 standard gauge ROD locomotives in the UK, 5322 is now in British Railways black, as is the J36 'Maude' at the National Railway Museum, and a couple of P class South Eastern and Chatham Railway locomotives that came back in 1916 - Barry do you have any information on those?

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Thanks guys, I know anything involving WW.I colours is usually a can of worms but I just couldn't see that tan colour being right.

To be honest if I start with a flatish black by the time I finish weathering it it'll be a dark grey/black anyway so I should be covered!

Thanks again

Bernie †



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Sounds good to me - the 43XX in the photo does look black rather than grey, I suspect both may have been used. I have an old Model of 5322 somewhere I'd considered painting but it's lovely as it is.
Please post photos when it's done!

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Rob wrote:

Sounds good to me - the 43XX in the photo does look black rather than grey, I suspect both may have been used. I have an old Model of 5322 somewhere I'd considered painting but it's lovely as it is.
Please post photos when it's done!


†Will do Rob.

Cheers

Bernie



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I too have been thinking about doing that locomotive.

CrashandBern, are you using Dapol kits for your build, or doing it from scratch?



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Bachmann are releasing a 1/76 model of a Great Central Railway J11 locomotive and some of those saw service with the ROD. I prefer N gauge so could be tempted for a PD Marsh 43xx kit, I wonder if any of the American, Canadian or European locos used by the ROD exist as a kit or ready to run in any scale?

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Rob

Do you mean these types of loco's.

They are all Baldwins (no relation !!!!)



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Kaiser wrote:

I too have been thinking about doing that locomotive.

CrashandBern, are you using Dapol kits for your build, or doing it from scratch?


Hi Kaiser,

I think the Dapol kit is a later series, the cab is completely different to the all the ROD 43XX Mogals I've seen and there are a lot of smaller difference once you start comparing photos.

I was lucky enough to find a very cheap non-running Mainline model on eBay so that will be my starting point.

Bern†



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Baldwin - yes, they're the ones, also seen larger tender engines and smaller tank engines with smaller diameter boilers

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CrashandBern wrote:
Kaiser wrote:

I too have been thinking about doing that locomotive.

CrashandBern, are you using Dapol kits for your build, or doing it from scratch?


Hi Kaiser,

I think the Dapol kit is a later series, the cab is completely different to the all the ROD 43XX Mogals I've seen and there are a lot of smaller difference once you start comparing photos.†


†Quite right, but looking at the different kits in the Dapol-line, it struck me that - atleast to my eyes - the City of Truro looks just like a 43XX class engine, except for the wheels. So I was thinking about kit-bashing their City of Truro and their Mogul kits.

Anyone think that would work?



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I owe the observation to a friend, and claim no credit myself: I simply pass it on as he can't add postings to fora from his work. He recalls Airfix Magazine, circa 1967-68, and Norman Simmons' articles on cross-kitting the then Airfix, formerly Kitmaster and now Dapol, City of Truro and Prairie Tank locomotives to produce a whole range of GWR locomotives including the 43xx class Mogul.

From memory, Simmons combined the chassis of the Prairie Tank (sans rear pony truck wheels) with the cab and boiler of the City of Truro, and the City's 3000-gallon tender converted to the Mogul's 3500 gallon type which he also motorised.

Moreover, there are plenty of books on trains, and no doubt websites, so a quick google might be worthwhile to check wheel sizes etc.

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Sounds simple and effective - there's also a few motorised versions on ebay for about £30 which is a good price i'd say

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mainline-railways-43xx-Mogul-locomotive-GWR-green-/261139125167?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item3ccd1ad3af

(Ends in just under 3 hours)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAINLINE-37090-GWR-GW-2-6-0-MOGUL-CLASS-43XX-LOCO-5322-MINT-mw-/360530336611?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item53f1485b63

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAINLINE-43XX-MOGUL-5322-GWR-GREEN-ORIGINAL-BOX-/321037596444?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item4abf54f71c

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Lothianman wrote:

I owe the observation to a friend, and claim no credit myself: I simply pass it on as he can't add postings to fora from his work. He recalls Airfix Magazine, circa 1967-68, and Norman Simmons' articles on cross-kitting the then Airfix, formerly Kitmaster and now Dapol, City of Truro and Prairie Tank locomotives to produce a whole range of GWR locomotives including the 43xx class Mogul.


†Nice! I'll try to get a hold of that magazine. smile



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A caveat - I have no idea how accurate the article(s) are, if they are based on what was to hand. There was very little in the way of hobby materials in those days, and Airfix Mag was pretty much bound to using only Airfix kits (except where Airfix didn't have a product, e.g. cast metal loco wheels). However, the degree of standardisation in the GWR loco design office means that for all I know the result is perfectly accurate!

One thing that will be needed with the Dapol kits is to clean off the moulded on handrails and replace them with turned metal knobs and wire.

If I were making the project, I'd be inclined not to worry too much about the articles if I couldn't find them quickly, but to go straight to the drawings in the more rivet-counting kind of railway book. And if you are checking plans, you presumably know that the kits are to OO/H0 standards, i.e. the kit scale will (at least nominally) be 1/76, but with the wheel spacing shrunk a bit to fit on a 1/87 scale gauge track, 16.5mm rather than the "correct" 18mm if I recall rightly (google OO/HO to try and find an explanation of that scale fudge).

I see also that Bachmann made or make a 43xx in the right scale.

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You may find as Rob says that it's cheaper to buy a second hand Mainline 43XX Mogol off ebay if you're prepaired to wait for a non running one to come up, the detail is outstanding.†

I only paid about £11.00 for mine as a non runner which is fine as only wanted a static model, I'll be modifying the running gear as I want it to sit on 1/72 scale track so there's a little bit of modelling input!



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Ah, thank you both!



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I'm really showing my lack of knowledge here but on the subject of 43XX class Moguls would it correct if I was to hitch a couple of poll wagons loaded with tanks to one???



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After a quick google, that seems appropriate - I don't know if 'Poll Wagon' is the correct term for the Tank carrying wagons in WW1, i've seen them described as 'RECTANKS' by the North Eastern Railway, who built 50. I don't know actually know when they entered service either and what the split between those deployed in the UK and those abroad was, can anyone help?

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Just remebered this




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Thanks Rob and Barry... the ROD book is on my Christmas list so I don't dare buy it yet!

From what I've seen on the net (which as we all know doesn't mean it's correct) Rectanks appear to have a constant section through the side members and Poll wagons side members are thickened in the middle... as I say I'm no rail expert so I'm perfectly happy to be corrected.

Here's a couple sites I found that were useful:

http://www.railalbum.co.uk/railway-wagons/military/ww1-war-department-poll-wagons-1.htm

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/rectank/hff833cd#hff833cd



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