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At the National Memorial, Pathum Thani, near Bankock.

 

 



-- Edited by Pzkpfw-e on Wednesday 19th of December 2012 06:21:04 PM

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Looks like a 7.5cm Rheinmetall (Ehrhardt) M1914 Gebirgskanone. Read somewhere that Thailand acquired some around WW1 didn't

know there was a survivor. The M1914 was also sold to Norway and Turkey.

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Charlie 



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hmm, cant find any refs atm to the R'metall in Siamese service. Krupp 5cm 1903, yes.

What about one of the eight Bofors 7,5cm L12 infantry guns acquired in 1934?



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The carriage frame is far lighter than any Rheinmetall made, it looks a lot like the one on the Japanese 75mm Type 41, which had Krupp origins.
The shield is different from anything Rheinmetall made around WW1 too.
Then the gun itself. Look at the contrast in length between the barrel and the cradle, again nothing in the Rheinmetall 75mm ranges matches this.
This is a long recoil weapon. Krupp developed several on behalf of foreign customers according to Kars's Gebirgskanonen.



-- Edited by nuyt on Saturday 22nd of December 2012 02:16:46 PM

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Yes, I have read that too, but I cant find similarities to the Norwegian and Turkish guns. For a moment I hoped this was the elusive Bofors 75mm L12 infantry gun, eight of which were ordered and received by Siam in 1934.

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I thought it was a pretty good match for a 7.5cm Rheinmetall Gebirgskanone - there's only one in Australia in remnant condition but

the barrel and receiver are a good match. I don't know what the block behind the breech ring is for.

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Charlie



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The gun does not match anything in my Kosar books.
I am still speculating that is some unknown Bofors product.
I think it is an infantry weapon and not a mountain gun/howitzer. Look at the elevation possibilities: very limited.
Is the weapon "pack"?
Does the gun have tiny equilibrators fixed outside the shield? Another typical Bofors feature, though I have never seen them so small.
I think the Bofors 75mm L12 infantry gun of 1934 was an upgrade of old Thai barrels, maybe fixed to the cradle of the Bofors 75mm mountain gun to give them long recoil (a trademark the Krupp men at Bofors at the time could easily have shared), with a new shield. The carriage was also used on one of the Bofors 75mm L22 versions (see Kosar's Gebirgskanonen).



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To me the carriage is much thinner than Japanese Type 41, and there are many differences in details. The wheels look similar though.

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meanwhile the gun has been idd as a Krupp 50mm
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/thread/1356184188/Thai+gun+id

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As the owner of several of the 50mm Krupp Mountain Guns, that barrel is not from that model.  



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