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Also on display in numbers at the Cannakale Naval Museum is the Krupp Model 1903 7.5cm field gun, sold to many countries including Turkey, and I believe was one of the standard field pieces of the Turkish Army in WW1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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I think this is gun #110 from the 1905 order - the gun shield is missing. The Ottoman Army used a lot of these guns - 736 were ordered before WW1, a further 54 were acquired

from a seized Brazilian order in 1914 and an unknown number of Rumanian M1904 guns acquired in 1917 after Rumania withdrew from WW1.

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Rob, did you take a look at the submarine remnants in the background? If so, did it say what type it is?

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Charlie, do you mean the individual gun? There's two pictured here, didn't have the time to find individual markings on them though.

TCT, the submarine in the background is UB46, a 1915 built U boat - I certainly did have a look and have more photos of it which i'll upload at some point, I couldn't believe it when I saw it there!

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One of the 75mm guns at Cannakale, I think it was the one with the foresight, (top two images) turned up on another forum with an image of the breech markings.

The Turkish 75mm guns have the serial no. and acceptance date on top of the breech in Arabic script.

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Cannakale is just Troy?It is difficult for me to learn English name of city in Turkey,except Ankala and Istanbul

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Troy is just the ruined city nowadays, a few miles south of Canakkale. Canakkale is also the name of the province in the area, which covers the Gallipoli peninsula - so in Turkey, Gallipoli (or Gelibolu as it's spelt there) is referred to as Canakkale 1915

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I found the image of the breech markings of one of the 75mm Krupp field guns at Cannakale (attached). The serial no. and acceptance date

are inscribed on top of the breech. The date is 1322 = 1906 - the date is the 4 characters with a squiggle underneath. The serial no. is 110 which makes

it a gun from the 1905 order. The numbers below the loading port are the barrel weight - in this case 330 kg.

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Fantastic, thanks for that. I read elsewhere that every Turkish gun of the time had an inscription on it asking Allah for forgiveness for taking a life, is this true?

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Not on any Turkish gun I've seen - the inscriptions are much the same as any European gun except for the Tughra (seal or signature) of the ruling Sultan

on Turkish made guns. Such an inscription may have been on very old guns but these never made it to Australia after WW1.

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Looks like it may be something a lot smaller and less recogniseable, and possibly only on the shells;

"I think item 3, the brass nose cap from a shell could be Turkish, it look to me to be the 'Tear of Allah' engraved on the top.
I have two Turkish shrapnel shells fired at Gallipoli in 1915, both of them have this inscription on it. I think its begging Allah forgiveness for taking a life.
I'm sure I read somewhere it was also engraved on the size of their weapons..."

From - http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=190378&hl=

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I can pick out a number in the script - "V10" transliterates "715" - in Arabic numbers are written as separated characters left to right unlike text

which reads right to left. It's worth taking this one to the Turkish section of the Axishistory forum - see what the experts say.

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One of the Turkish experts on Axishistory confirmed the number as "715" but said the text made no sense in Turkish - he thought it might

be another language written in Arabic script. As a hypothesis the script language might be Urdu and the nose cap isn't

Turkish but came from an Indian manufactured shell. I've got a query in with someone I know who can read Urdu.

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What's the sound of a deflating hypothesis?

The script isn't Urdu or Persian. I found an image of a Turkish made fuse for a 75mm field gun. The inscription on the nose cap is very similar

to the unknown one. There isn't a standard way that Arabic script is written or inscribed - the same text can look quite different to Western eyes.

Haven't got a translation of the text on the fuse yet but it's probably something fairly mundane such as "field gun use only" (75mm mountain guns used

a different fuse).

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Here in Deniliquin we have serial no 136 Krupp cannon restored and about to be included on the heritage listing year date 1906 i beleive am looking for a gun sight to finish the restoration any body that could help would be greatly appreciated my name is Lindsay Renwick the Mayor and the person that restored the above gun .Also we have restored a trench mortar same vintage and by the way the Krupp was built for King Carroll from Rumania his crest is engraved on the gun Lindsay Renwick.



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