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Does anybody have any other photos of Eclipse II. This was my cousins tank. Research undertaken by another cousin has given the following information. On 23rd November, 1917, Lieutenant Alfred King Tripe, my cousin, was killed in action at the Battle of Cambrai.

Alfred, commissioned as a Lieutenant, joined the Tank Corps where he was assigned to E Battalion and went to France on July 1st 1917. After familiarisation training, they moved to the forward area at the end of July. Their tank park was at Oosthoek Wood.

Here Alfred was put in command of a Mk IV tank, E3 known as Eclipse II. He had a crew of seven: Corporal Murray, L/Corporal Lewis, Privates Jacques, Innes, Johnson, Hilling and Davies. In November the whole Tank Corps was pitched into battle. This was the Battle of Cambrai.

The battle began at 0600 on 20 November. It opened with a carefully prepared and predicted, but unregistered, fire barrage by 1,003 guns on key German defences, followed by smoke and a creeping barrage at 300 yards ahead to cover the first advances. Despite efforts to preserve secrecy, the German forces had received sufficient intelligence to be on moderate alert. An attack on Havrincourt was anticipated, as was the use of tanks.

Initially there was considerable success in most areas, and it seemed as if a great victory was within reach; the Hindenburg Line had been successfully penetrated with advances of up to 8 km achieved. Of the tanks 180 were out of action after the first day, although only 65 had been destroyed. Of the remainder 71 had suffered mechanical failure and 43 had been 'ditched'. The British had suffered around 4,000 casualties and had taken 4,200 prisoners, a casualty rate half that of Third Ypres (Passchendaele), and a greater advance in six hours than in three months there.

E Battalion were left with 11 servicable tanks out of the 42 that had started the battle. E3 was one of them, part of No. 3 section under the command of Captain Roberts. On November 23rd, all 11 were ordered into battle again with the objective of taking the Round Trench on the plain of Moeuvres. Just before noon, E3 took a direct hit and all the crew were either killed or mortally wounded with the exception of Private Davies. Afterwards, he gave his account of what happened:
Hit at 11:45 by a shell that passed through the rear of the tank and exploded on the left side practically level with the front of the engine setting the camouflage net on fire.

Alfred Tripe, who was sitting at the point of the explosion, died instantly. His remains were not found and he has no grave but is remembered on the Cambrai memorial in Louverval and on a war memorial for GWR employees in Chester station. The photograph shows Eclipse II after the battle.

 

 



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Also after the battle only...



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super picture. Thank you.

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Absolutely amazing - a relative of a crew member in a single tank that my Great-Uncle Andrew Murray was killed in, along with Lt. Tripe!!!

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That really is amazing. I need a sit down and a beer. Now, we just need to find relatives of the other six.

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Tim,

Two things:

The survivor was Pte Dove, not Davies.  As I have recorded before, he was a distant relative of a retired vicar here in South Africa.

It cannot be assumed that Tripe was immediately posted to Exlipse II as @ Lt Maitland was still in charge of Eclipse in July.

The number allocated to Eclipse in the "Following the Tanks" book is incorrect, as 2798 was a Female Tank called Eclipse that was ditched in July 1917.

Presumably Maitland was given a new tank which he called Eclipse II, a Male tank.  Something must have happened to Maitland shortly before the battle, as you say that Tripe hardly knew the crew, so he must have been a replacement at sh



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If you would liek to do so, you can add details of your cousin to the Cambrai online website.....
www.tankmenofcambrai.com/e-bn




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"Following The Tanks" states that Pte Dove was the "only survivor".  I think that this is a mistranslation or incorrect comment.  Pte Dove indeed survived the action, but was the only member of the crew left after the wounded had been cleared.

Of the wounded removed - Ptes Innes, Johnson, and Hilling - only Johnson died later.  The other two survived the war according to the CWGC.

Also of interest, and bearing out the comment that Lt Tripe was new to the Bn, was that the CWGC states his Unit as being the Royal Garrison Artillery.

Tony



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Hi

Private Jacques also killed in Eclipse II was Robert Jacques from Accrington Lancashire. He was the brother of my great grandmother. He was born in 1896 and had married in 1916, aged 20. He had been in the East Lancs Regiment originally before being transferred to Tank Corps.

 

Alison



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Alison,

Thanks very much for the info, I have passed it on to Philippe Gorczyinski as he is doing an updated edition to his book "Following The Tanks", the story of the tank action at Cambrai.

Tony



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There is further discussion on this action in this thread

1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php

Geoffrey

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I think VK Maitland was commanding 9081M 6Sec B Coy of 13th Bat on 20th Nov, was he not ?



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Dove's MM has been sold several times over the years, most recently at Bosleys

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WW1 1917 E Battalion Tank Corps Battle of Cambrai Military Medal. A good example awarded to ‘91658 Pte F.S. Dove E Bn Tank Corps. GC some contact marks. The citation for the award of the Military Medal. ‘While performing the duties of first driver in his tank in action east of Moeuvres on November 23rd 1917 the tank received a direct hit killing four of the crew and wounding three of the remainder. Being the only unwounded man, he remained with the tank assisting the wounded, two of whom he eventually sent back after dressing them. He then remained with his tank for two hours until he saw a tank commanded by 2nd Lieutenant Carter approaching, when he took the remaining wounded man to this tank and went to his own refusing to leave it and staying he might be able to get it away. 2nd Lieutenant Fairbank passing in his tank some two and half hours later found Private Dove alone trying to move his tank back, he ordered him to return. At this time 2nd Lieutenant Fairbank’s tank received a direct hit and Pte Dove was wounded. ‘ A note accompanying the lot states that Private Frank S Dove survived the war and volunteered his services in WW2 and was commissioned.


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Hardinge wrote:

I think VK Maitland was commanding 9081M 6Sec B Coy of 13th Bat on 20th Nov, was he not ?


 No!  V K Maitland commanded 9081, a Mark V Male of 13th Battalion on 8th August 1918.  Whether he still commanded it on 20th November 1918 I have no idea (though I doubt it).  He certainly didn't command it on 20th November 1917 as it hadn't been built.

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woops yup quite correct 9081 for Hamel and Amiens in 1918.
I have him down for E3, 2798 “Eclipse" for 3rd Ypres 20/09/1917.

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Alison Shorrock wrote:

Hi

Private Jacques also killed in Eclipse II was Robert Jacques from Accrington Lancashire. He was the brother of my great grandmother. He was born in 1896 and had married in 1916, aged 20. He had been in the East Lancs Regiment originally before being transferred to Tank Corps.

 

Alison


Small world. We could have a full family of Eclipse II crew members reunion if we keep carrying on like this.

 

Tim



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I am the granddaughter of 91658 Pte Dove, thank you so much for for posting what happened to his medal, as we had no idea where it had gone.



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