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Sir William John Kelly and his Influence on Tank Design . . .
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I presume it means Tritton? Perhaps it was just a case of the author having two things in mind at once, and getting them confused - you know the sort of thing, you're busy writing on one topic when someone disturbs you, and you write a surname from whatever conversation interrupted your writing?

...and then fail to spot the mistake?



-- Edited by TinCanTadpole on Sunday 11th of August 2013 01:00:38 AM

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. . . according to Wikipedia, that is.

 

"The Steam Wheel Tank was designed on the basis of the early "Big Wheel" Landship concepts put forward by Sir William John Kelly from Great Britain in 1915 . . "

No references attached to the article except links to Landships 1 and MailerFSU. This mention of Sir William is the only one on the entire Internet. Who was he?



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I have never come across that name in all my years of reading about early tank development. Given that Wiki entries are supposed to be based on verifiable, cited, public printed sources, whoever made that edit should be challenged on the edit page. Possibly that reference should also be expunged altogether and accompanied by a note on the edit page asking, "Supply sources."



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Never heard of him, and never heard of anyone only having only one entry on the internet before. Is this a record?

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The Curse of Wikibollocks strikes again!

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TinCanTadpole wrote:

... Perhaps it was just a case of the author having two things in mind at once, and getting them confused - ...


Feasible - only the Wiki author could say for sure.  There was a William Kelly in the USA who was a pioneer of steel making and became big in boiler plate, maybe armour plate as well (don't know).  He died before WW1 but he had sons in the business who might have been about the right age.  Hmm ... the son called William C Kelly founded the Kelly axe business and likely had nothing to do with it.  Wrong country anyway.  The Kelly axe was widely renowned by Australian axemen in the 1930s and before as about the best there was (for Australian hardwoods) apropos of nothing except the steel was exceptional.



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Utterly fruitless to speculate, my point earlier was that Wiki rules are that you MUST provide chapter and verse sources to back up EVERYTHING. I got pulled up over my updates to the Flying Elephant entry years ago because I based them on ORIGINAL RESEARCH (i.e. REAL research from primary sources, not just copying it out of a bloody book), yet this arsehole gets away with spouting utter bollocks with nothing to back it up. It is utterly pointless to speculate what was going through his sorry excuse of a mind given that he completely ignored Wiki rules by failing to provide citations. Partly why I hold Wikipedia in the deepest contempt.



-- Edited by Roger Todd on Sunday 11th of August 2013 11:30:44 PM

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