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Pat


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Miniairons is a new manufacturer from Spain who seems quite responsive as far as customers' suggestions are concerned.

I would like to lobby them to produce the two standard guns in the Spanish army of 1936 (so, most common guns in the Civil War). These are

a) Cañón Schneider (75/28) Modelo 1917

http://amonio.es/canon_schneider_7528.htm

To my eye this is very similar to other Schneider export guns but I'd like to get this right, so my question is would the plans provided in the book Ironsides kindly provided form a good basis or not?

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6556658x.r=canon+de+75.langEN

b) Obús Vickers (105/22) Modelo 1922

This is clearly not a WW1, so apologies if not appropriate here.

I would be most thankful if someone could provide a set of plans for either of the guns.

Will post about the kit production process in the modelling section of this DG shortly. Thanks in advance, regards, Pat



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Hello, Pat.

a) More than a year ago Schneider Archives in Creusto were digitized but several months ago I could find no signs of it. So i can only offer you to compare some numerical data from the French manual with p. 328 (398 in PDF) here.

b) How do you think, has the modeller used any drawings during the scratchbuilding? As I can judge by http://escala135.blogspot.de/2013/05/canon-ac-tr-7528-schneider-m-1906.html, building "by eye" (approximately, basing on photos) seems probable. Have you tried to contact him? I can recommend you only http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive/details.asp?imageid=6490 and http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive/details.asp?imageid=6496, though this is not the version that was put into serial production. Maybe contacting the Vickers Archives can help you.

Regards,

Ilya



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P.S.
I can't edit the post so adding a link for the manual here: books.google.ru/books/about/Reglamento_para_el_servicio_del_cañon_d.html?id=6GQhQwAACAAJ&redir_esc=y
If you have a friend in the United States he can download the book for you (actually anyone fron the US IP can).

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Be careful about the match of the commercial Schneider guns to the models accepted by the French Army.

The Canon de 75 Mle 1912 Schneider is the commercial PD13 - the barrel is a different shape compared to the earlier models. The barrel shape is somewhat like

the bottle shaped Saint-Chamond barrels.

Canon de 75 Mle 1914 Schneider is the PD07 which is pretty similar to the PD06 which the Spanish bought.

Regards,

Charlie



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Canon de 75 mm Mle 1912 used ammunition from a cannon 75 mm M 897 and do not use commercial Schneider ammunition.
Serbia bought PD6 and PD6bis like 75 mm M07 and 75 mm M07A.

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nebojsa djokic wrote:

Serbia bought PD6 and PD6bis like 75 mm M07 and 75 mm M07A.

 Are you talking about this?

7253929470_547c32e94f_c.jpg

The picture above was taken in Belgrade, I can provide more in case it can help



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nebojsa djokic wrote:

Canon de 75 mm Mle 1912 used ammunition from a cannon 75 mm M 897 and do not use commercial Schneider ammunition.
Serbia bought PD6 and PD6bis like 75 mm M07 and 75 mm M07A.

That possibly explains the different barrel profile of the Mle 1912 Schneider - the round for the 75mm M1897 was longer and had more propellant. I guess Schneider had to strengthen the

barrel to handle the different breech profile and higher breech pressures. The easy way to do this would be to use a thicker "B" tube.

The commercial Schneider ammunition was the same size as that for the 75mm Krupp export gun - the Ottoman Army used seized (from Serbia) Schneider guns alongside their

75mm Krupp M03 guns.

I'm not sure Massimo's image is a PD07 - the attached definitely is a PD07A captured from the Ottomans in Palestine in 1918. It was from an order of 54 guns for Serbia seized by the Ottomans

in 1912. The attached images are of a compound of captured guns in Palestine 1918, the surviving Schneider gun at Ingham, Nth Qld and the markings on the Ingham gun. My translation of the

markings is: "Field Gun M 1907A" (top line), "Kal" 75, (number) N. 362 "Weight" 340 k(g)

 

Regards,

Charlie



-- Edited by CharlieC on Saturday 15th of February 2014 01:01:19 AM



-- Edited by CharlieC on Saturday 15th of February 2014 01:03:11 AM

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In Military museum in Belgrade is Bulgarian 75 mm M 904 (Schneider PR).



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Schneider 75 mm Mle 1912 was standard Serbian filed gun on Saloniq front 1916 - 1918.

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Hello Ilya,
many thanks for the links.
ain92 wrote:

a) More than a year ago Schneider Archives in Creusto were digitized but several months ago I could find no signs of it. So i can only offer you to compare some numerical data from the French manual with p. 328 (398 in PDF) here.

b) How do you think, has the modeller used any drawings during the scratchbuilding? As I can judge by http://escala135.blogspot.de/2013/05/canon-ac-tr-7528-schneider-m-1906.html, building "by eye" (approximately, basing on photos) seems probable. Have you tried to contact him? I can recommend you only http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive/details.asp?imageid=6490 and http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive/details.asp?imageid=6496, though this is not the version that was put into serial production. Maybe contacting the Vickers Archives can help you.

 

I believe this pdf (with lots of links) is where to start from when doing any Schneider research. My French is not sufficient to make much use of it, sadly.

For some reason I am unable to download / open both the French and the Spanish manuals pdf so I cannot evaluate them.

I've forwarded the link to the amazing 1/35 scratchbuild models to the kit manufacturer, I too believe it would be good if he'd contact the modeller.

Oh and I've dug out this old 1/72 conversion thread on Landships forum itself. Sadly Brennan is no longer posting here.

Again, thank you for posting the links. Regards, Pat



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CharlieC wrote:
Canon de 75 Mle 1914 Schneider is the PD07 which is pretty similar to the PD06 which the Spanish bought.

 

Thanks for the addition info. Regards, Pat



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