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CharlieC


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The attached turned up on evilBay - the title said "Plot aan kanon Cockerill-Nordenfelt model 1888 Braschaat 1908"

Am I right in assuming this is a Belgian gun? The uniform is Belgian?

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Yes its Belgian, I do believe its a fortress gun... I'm sure I have more info somewhere I'll have a look... I believe there is a survivor in the Army Museum 

Here it is on a naval mount: http://www.rudi-geudens.be/html/oorlogsmuseum_belg_kanon_19_eeuw.htm

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Yep. He's Fortress Artillery, whose uniform was very similar to Infantry. There's loads of stuff about these guns on the forum somewhere. Some of them were installed in the front line by the Germans, still on their carriages. Will try to dig up more info.



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This is an interesting piece indeed.  It appears  Marinekorps Flandern acquired quite a few of these initially for Chanel defense after the fall of Antwerp.  I don't recall seeing one at the Bruseel's Museum; but that was fifteen years ago and items seem to be hauled in and out of there from time to time.   Now we have learned a surviving example exists in Bucharest!



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The Nordenfelt fortress gun turns up throughout WW1 - a long life for an 1888 gun.

Aside from the use in Belgian and Russian fortresses as fixed and mobile guns the German Army used them as trench guns, in the A7Vs and at the end of the war

as improvised truck-mounted anti-tank guns.

Another gun to add to the the todo list of artillery articles for Landships II (sigh).

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28juni14 wrote:

This is an interesting piece indeed.  It appears  Marinekorps Flandern acquired quite a few of these initially for Chanel defense after the fall of Antwerp.  I don't recall seeing one at the Bruseel's Museum; but that was fifteen years ago and items seem to be hauled in and out of there from time to time.   Now we have learned a surviving example exists in Bucharest!

 Are you referring to this gun in Bucharest? Can you confirm it's a Nordenfeldt? For what's worth, the Museum over there labels it as "Sytem Hotchkiss"

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It definitely is a Nordenfelt - look at the image which started the thread - same gun.

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Cool, thanks. Bucharest's Museum is full of interesting pieces.
Any idea how the gun ends up in Romania?

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Found an Image of the Cockerill-Nordenfelt on Travelling carriage in the Army Museum here:

Cockerill-Nordenfelt 57mm M1888

theres also a pic of the same gun on the site I linked too before here:

Cockerill-Nordenfelt

and yet more pics here:

Cockerill-Nordenfelt 

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No idea - I checked Stroea and Bajenaru's book on Rumanian artillery. They note that 57mm Hotchkiss guns were used as fortress guns from the 1890s

- most of these were repurposed during WW1 as field guns and anti-aircraft guns. I think the 57mm Hotchkiss was derived from the anti-torpedo boat gun

so it was a quite different gun compared to the Nordenfelt. There's no mention of Nordenfelt guns in the book.

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CharlieC wrote:

 

No idea - I checked Stroea and Bajenaru's book on Rumanian artillery. They note that 57mm Hotchkiss guns were used as fortress guns from the 1890s

- most of these were repurposed during WW1 as field guns and anti-aircraft guns. I think the 57mm Hotchkiss was derived from the anti-torpedo boat gun

so it was a quite different gun compared to the Nordenfelt. There's no mention of Nordenfelt guns in the book.

 I guess repurposed Hotchkiss fortress guns were like this:

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Could be - the carriage certainly is improvised. If my eyes do not deceive me the carriage is made of railway line.

Would need the markings on the gun barrel to be certain though.

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Hello all.

Today I found a photo of German Cockerill-Nordenfelts captured by Romanians in 1917:

Canons allemands capturés par nos troupesCanons et caissons d'artillerie capturés par nos troupes

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Anybody what's this 57 mm used by Romaians?

Un canon de 57mm en action



-- Edited by ain92 on Saturday 15th of March 2014 05:20:22 PM

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I think the unidientified gun is a 53mm Gruson Model 1887/1916. The 53mm Gruson gun was bought by the Rumanians as a fortress gun in the 1890s.

During WW1 they were reworked as infantry guns and issued at a rate of 4 - 6 guns per infantry division.

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Charlie



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