Landships II

thorst · Colonel

Fahrpanzer 3D

Paul Bonnett · Hero

That looks great. I am interested in modelling one in 1/35 when I get round to it ! But I think printing one will be a lot quicker. Most pictures seem to be in multi-colour camouflage but I would reckon on green/grey or light earth if painted in a single colour.

Found this 3D work if its of any interest � � https://www.keyshot.com/forum/index.php?topic=6817.0

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Paul

MK1 Nut · Hero

That's an impressive bit of work there Thorsten. I'm still learning when it comes to 3D CAD work, I think that would be a months work for me right now. :)

Helen x

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thorst · Colonel

Paul,

Thank you!

Helen,

Thank you very much! I am still learning, too. Have bought Rhino one year ago and am very pleased with it's functionality (and you can't beat the price for students). Before, I had only 2D CAD experience, but never had someone actually teaching me which would have saved me so much trouble. What are you working with?

Thorsten

Roger Todd · Legend

Looks really good!

thorst · Colonel

Thanks!

thorst · Colonel

Finally, the files are at Shapeways. I hope to get the printed parts soon and will mold them then. Will keep you updated!

thorst · Colonel

Today the parts arrived from Shapeways. I designed them to be already halfway in seperators for molding,

so all I have to do is to wrap some walls around the pieces and pour silicone over them. Then I can cast them from resin.

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But before, I need to fix some problems with the parts. First, they were still covered with a gooey, thick liquid which I think is a residual of the support wax. I have not been able to remove it completely yet, and it makes the primer not sticking to the parts. Second, some of the plates are warped slightly and I need to get this refixed for the molds.

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So in the meantime, here are two pictures:

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Best regards,

Thorsten

Paul Bonnett · Hero

Looks well detailed, how long until you can have one built ?

thorst · Colonel

Thanks! Yesterday I poured silikone over the mold-molds, today I tried the first runs in resin. Small parts went well and I'm really happy with the detail, but I have some air bubble problems in the bigger ones. I don't know when I will be able to continue working on them, but when I have a complete set of parts I will show pictures. Assembly will be straight forward then.

Still unsure about the color... Is there any evidence on paint used for such equipment? I have nice pictures of monotone colored Fahrpanzers and would like to replicate this...

Best regards,
Thorsten

28juni14 · Hero

The example at the Brussels Army museum is, as are most of their �items, in it's original color scheme. �If you can't find �a color photo, I can furnish a few.

CharlieC · Legend

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Be careful of the colours at Brussels - although they are the original paint finishes the paint colour isn't stable over time. Back in WW1 alkyd and acrylic paints were unknown

so paint was made from linseed oil and lead oxide with pigment added for the desired colour. This gives a very resistant coating but the lead oxide reacts with sulphur compounds

in the air to form black lead sulphide. The effect on the paint colour is that it slowly darkens and dulls over time. Lead paints don't have anywhere near the colour saturation that

modern paints have so even colours like yellow ochre probably weren't anywhere near as bright as modern counterparts.

A few years ago I saw a camouflaged German helmet which had sat in a cupboard for many decades - the colours (green, brown, ochre) were surprisingly bright compared to the colours on the

pieces at Brussels. I guess we're conditioned to camouflage schemes which attempt to merge with the background - I'm not sure that was the objective in WW1 schemes -

most of them seem to have picked up the ideas of the Cubist movement in painting where blocks of colour could hide the outline of an object.

Regards,

Charlie

thorst · Colonel

Hello,

finally I made some progress here. I pured the last ammo boxes and assembled the sub assemblies last weekend.

For all interested in the printing and molding method: Everything fitted perfectly.

Here is the ground plate with ammunition boxes, seats and the gun carriage:

and here is the gun:

On easter I hopefully have time to spray primer and paint on the parts to get the subassemblies put together.

Best regards,
Thorsten

-- Edited by thorst on Monday 14th of April 2014 09:21:53 PM

thorst · Colonel

The model nears the finish line. The parts were assembled and painted in a medium grey. Some small details were added (tool clamps on the doors from aluminium foil, small details in the interior from plastic sheet). Now only the weathering and the small diorama is missing.

Cheers
Thorsten

thorst · Colonel

I started with the small diorama which will hopefully resemble an original picture of an abandoned Fahrpanzer in a destroyed trench (on the original picture, a destroyed female Mark IV lies in the background).
I began building up the landscape with packing material and a DIN A5 board:

Then I covered it with wood putty and some small branches. There will be another layer with more small twigs.

Cheers
Thorsten

-- Edited by thorst on Monday 21st of April 2014 04:25:18 PM

Paul Bonnett · Hero

That looks fantastic Thorsten.

Marienwagen · Corporal

Hi Thorsten,

It looks fantastic ! 3D printing is really a dream for modellers.

Note that as my favorite scale is 1/72, do you think is it possible to ask Shapeways to produce a 1/72 scale version of this Fahrpanzer (I think that if they have the files, is it probably possible). However, I don't know what it costs ?

All the Best,

Marienwagen

Roger Todd · Legend

Proper job!

thorst · Colonel

Thanks!

I need your help: Someone knows which color was used by Germans that results in a bright overall color on black and white photographs of that time? The picture I try to duplicate shows the Fahrpanzer in such a tone.

Marienwagen, I fear that this is not possible. Even in 1/35, the detail is nearly not doable. For 1/72, the rivets needed to be enlarged massively or neglected, and the wall of the turret needed to be thickened such that the interior would not look accurate. Even then, the model needed to get a major redesign (which I would attempt if there is a market...).

Cheers,
Thorstn

TeeELL · General

Fantastic, you have done a magnificent job.

thorst · Colonel

Noone can help me with the color issue?

MK1 Nut · Hero

Love the model x

As for colours, all I will say is beware black and white photos. Often what at first looks like a change in colour, is actually due to the angle of the light and how reflective/shiny the paint finish.

I often watch the Royal Navy ships coming in and out of the harbour here in Portsmouth. I know they are painted a Grey with a hint of blue to it. Sometimes you can see the blue, other times they're just grey. Also Although painted all over in the same colour, the upper works will often look lighter than the hull. This is because the hull angles outwards and the Bridge and masts straight up or inwards.

What ever colour you end up going with, remember to tone it down a little to match in better with the scale.

Helen x

A few nice photos here... Historica Looking at the drawing they seem to be hinting at a pale browny sand colour, but green and camouflaged seem ok as well. I do like all the tools hanging on the door in one photo.

Another page here with a contemporary water colour where the artist has painted the main body of the Fahrpanzer the same as the bare iron on the wheels. So lots of choice, chances are they painted them in the field to whatever the popular colour was in that area/Company.

-- Edited by MK1 Nut on Wednesday 23rd of April 2014 10:06:04 PM

-- Edited by MK1 Nut on Wednesday 23rd of April 2014 10:35:35 PM

thorst · Colonel

Thank you Helen!
It is interesting to note that the pictures in the link you posted show two different versions of the Fahrpanzer, the one having a step directly below the dome like the one I modeled, the second going down straight below the cupola.

The picture I try to reproduce is this one here:
www.forumeerstewereldoorlog.nl/wiki/index.php/Afbeelding:Fahrpanzer2.jpg

As you can see, it appears as a monotone color which is quite bright. I can find two different options online, the one is a bright grey, the other a bright grey-green. The problem is that I am really clueless about which color could have been used, i.e. if there was a "standard" color for such equipment... Any help is most appreciated!

Thorsten

thorst · Colonel

Hi,

last weekend I was able to work a bit on the landscape.

The original photograph shows a totally destroyed environment

with hills of earth.

I tried to replicate this with plaster of Paris.

First I brushed water onto the surface of the wood putty:

Plaster of paris was thrown onto it with a wooden stick:

If the layer got too high to fully soak with water, I injected some more

water with a fine cannula:

Today it looks like this:

When it gets dry outside, I will go looking for more twigs which I will add to a

second layer of plaster.

Like stated before, any help on the color issue is most appreciated...

Cheers,
Thorsten

Paul Bonnett · Hero

Looking at the photo you are working from I would agree with it being a pale sand-brown, as it would tie in with the surrounding ground colour. Has the "female" in the distance been noted and identified I wonder ?
The diorama is coming on nicely too.
Paul

thorst · Colonel

Thanks Paul! I don't know more about the female, but it was a reason to build this diorama. So you guess it to be a light sand color... was there a standard of such camouflage colors in Germany at this time?
Thorsten

thorst · Colonel

Hi,

I have added more plaster. Unfortunately after being dry completely, it remains

not hard as plaster which is mixed with the water mechanically. To give it more

strength, I soaked the whole surface with a german equivalent of Future. This

worked out, it is hard now. Here is a picture of the current state:

Perhaps I get the chance to paint it this weekend, then I will post new pictures.

Cheers,

Thorsten

piet71 · Major

Top !!
Looking forward to the rest .

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-- Edited by piet71 on Monday 5th of May 2014 07:51:41 PM

thorst · Colonel

Hi,

a small update: The diorama was painted dark brown and covered in pigment dust.

The Fahrpanzer was painted in a mixture of bright grey and ochre, chipped, washed

and dusted. Now it is glued to the base and sand was used to link it to the surrounding

landscape.

Here is the current state:

All that's missing is some grass and perhaps an allied soldier if I can find a nice figure,

but not sure about that.

I'll post better pictures when it's finished.

Viele Grüße,
Thorsten

piet71 · Major

Very Nice!

thorst · Colonel

Hello,

here are the final pictures of the project. I've added a small amount of grass,

and a wodden frame. Everything you see on the pictures is selfmade.

And a comparison with the original picture:

I hope that you enjoy the pictures!

Best regards,
Thorsten

piet71 · Major

28juni14 · Hero

Excellent build, Thorsten. All the 35ers out there should be asking you for a Fahrpanzer kit. I'm particularly impressed with the small items you were able to have produced; as in the gunner's seats. Hats off to you!

thorst · Colonel

Thank you two!

28juni14, it seems as there is not enough interest in such a kit I think.

Ian P · Major

What a brilliant diorama!

CharlieC · Legend

Just gob-smacking.

I've been spreading the word among some of my colleagues in AMMS Brisbane - hopefully you may get some enquiries about your model. I'll try to get it into our monthly newsletter - can you PM me an email address please.

Regards,

Charlie