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Is this new? I don't recall it.

 

Capture_Schnuck.jpg



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For me it is new.

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Never seen before. - But obviously taken from some kind of publication. So, not really 'new', rather forgotten.



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mad zeppelin wrote:

Never seen before. - But obviously taken from some kind of publication. So, not really 'new', rather forgotten.


 Well, "already existing but seen, experienced, or acquired recently or now for the first time."



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Bonjour James,

Is-it the tank's name, in white, on left front side ?

This photo is, perhaps, not on the good side . . . 

 

Bonne après-midi - Michel



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Bonjour James,

Is-it the tank's name, in white, on left front side ?

This photo is, perhaps, not on the good side . . . 

Michel


 Hi, Michel. The name would be on the right,  but it isn't visible  in the photograph. And I doubt that even Gwyn will be able to identify the Mk V*.



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So it could be 528 "Hagen" as well, or 540...



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So it could be 528 "Hagen" as well, or 540...


 The photo is from The Official History of the New Zealand Rifle Brigade, so I assume it's kosher. AFAIK Hagen was captured by British troops.



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Both 504 "Schnuck" and 528 "Hagen" were captured by the 1st Bn, Canterbury Regiment, New Zealand Division, on September 2nd, 1918. - But taking into account the itinerary of the NZ Div - and the fact that capture date and time of salvage might lie weeks apart, the picture could also show 540 - or even good old 562 "Herkules"...



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James H wrote:
... And I doubt that even Gwyn will be able to identify the Mk V*.

Correct.

Gwyn



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mad zeppelin wrote:

Both 504 "Schnuck" and 528 "Hagen" were captured by the 1st Bn, Canterbury Regiment, New Zealand Division, on September 2nd, 1918. - But taking into account the itinerary of the NZ Div - and the fact that capture date and time of salvage might lie weeks apart, the picture could also show 540 - or even good old 562 "Herkules"...


 OK, then. "An already existing but seen, experienced, or acquired recently or now for the first time photograph of what the caption says is Schnuck but might equally be Hagen, unnamed chassis 540, or possibly even Herkules."



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I can't find a clearer photo than the one that's been posted, but I did find some information here... Link



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Interesting post in that forum (The British& CommonwealthMilitary Bagde Forum). Of particular note is that the name "Schnuck" is first mentioned by forum member "atillathenunns". It isn't mentioned so in the NZETC source! For me, the whole scenery looks quite the same as in the Hundleby/Strasheims book, page 142 with "Hagen". And yes, I always hoped to find a photo of 540's recovery, but this one appears highly speculative...



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This is what I found in the New Zealand National Library (there's no digital image):

Captured German tank being towed from battlefield by British tank

 

Ref: PA1-f-092-1205

A German tank captured by Allied forces being towed at Fremicourt, France, by a British tank. Photograph taken 7 September 1918 by Henry Armytage Sanders.

Inscriptions: Inscribed - Album page - beneath image: H.1205. Victor and vanquished. A German tank being towed by one of our tanks from the battlefield. Photographer's title on negative -bottom right: H1205.

This is possibly the tank captured by New Zealand forces and named "Hagen".

Quantity: 1 b&w original photographic print(s).

Physical Description: Gelatin silver print 11.3 x 15.9 cm, mounted on album page

Access restrictions: Not restricted

Part of: Royal New Zealand Returned and Services' Association :New Zealand official negatives, World War 1914-1918 / World War 1914-1918. Official H Series, V 3 no 2

Format: 1 b&w original photographic print(s), Single photograph, Gelatin silver print 11.3 x 15.9 cm, mounted on album page



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