Landships II

It confuses the “Museo Histórico del Ejercito” of “Ciudadela city” with the “Museo de Armas de la Nación "Tte Gral Pablo Riccheri" of the “Circulo de Oficiales”

I went to the first, and in the second it is the only Krupp 75mm Mod.1896 modified in Essen- Germany in 1905 for the Argentine Army.

The “Museo Histórico del Ejercito” of Ciudadela depends on the Argentine Army, and the “Museo de Armas de la Nación "Tte Gral Pablo Riccheri" is a civil society that depends on the Circle of Officers.

You can change the signboard but you can not change what Krupp engraved on the barrel jacket or what is engraved on the breech block. And much less that can they do it the "children" !!!!

The real caliber of the "Argentine Model 1902" is 130mm ,and was measured

So the current German caliber could be higher or lower, but at that time the most similar German cannon it was the  real caliber 135mm, the 13cm L35 K09   . What clearly shows that the "Argentine Model 1902" was a cannon designed by Krupp for our Army.

If the actual caliber had been 128mm, it would be better to note that small difference in measuring the length of the barrel since that difference would multiply by 26, which would give a difference of 52mm, meaning that the total length should be 3328mm, far from the 3380mm  measured.

In the book "Historia Argentina Contemporanea 1862-1930"  that you recommended, talks about Heavy Howitzers of 10.5cm "....... That is to say, at some point if they ( the 130mm) were considered "heavy weapons" (in his time it was really the heaviest weapon of the Argentine Army)

Yourself recognize that the rating of "heavy" changed over time, and the designation of Krupp130mm L26 Argentine Model 1902 corresponds to a qualification of 1928 ....  That reassures him ????

When it was thought to improve the 75mm Krupp by changing the Krupp sliding block  system by the Maxim Nordenfelt breech in 1890, which reduced the loading operations of the ammunition from 7 to 3 movements, and which greatly increased the cadence to fire, had to decide whether the transformation was to be complete or partial. Complete meant to change the carriage to resist the higher propulsion loads, also it was necessary to increase the capacity and quantity of carriages of ammunition  to take advantage of the speed of fire, and all this was discarded.

Only the breech block was changed, an operation that proved difficult in our arsenals, and combined with the failures of the Krupp1898 model led Colonel Riccheri to an interpellation of the Senate in 1903

It was also difficult to recondition and control all new and modified guns.

I do not think it would be possible for our Arsenals to accept a greater challenge only 2 years later.

Fundamentally because in this case (adding a long recoil brake system) involved whether or if to redesign the carriage.

Remember that the brake did not have physical space to be placed in the Krupp 1898  

I went to the first, and in the second it is the only Krupp 75mm Mod.1896 modified in Essen- Germany in 1905 for the Argentine Army.

This must be one of the two  cannon sent to Europe that are mentioned in the bibliography in a previous message of mine..

You can change the signboard but you can not change what Krupp engraved on the barrel jacket .

While this is true, it might explain the fate of the sign that identified the photo I was sent..

The real caliber of the "Argentine Model 1902" is 130mm ,and was measured

I corresponded with Franz Kosar, a gunner and artillery expert and met with the late Colonel Jarret (Aberdeen Proving Grounds) and discussed the various differentiations in caliber designations rather than in actual calibers: The Krupp 130 was not designed specifically for Argentina, though it was modified for Argentina. Do you really think a manufacturer like Krupp with 25.00o workers is going to waste space, time and effort just to built 13 (or 12 guns) for any country? and that Krupp will complicate matters by making different calibers only a few milimiters larger than the oher Please!

So the current German caliber could be higher or lower, but at that time the most similar German cannon it was the  real caliber 135mm, the 13cm L35 K09   . What clearly shows that the "Argentine Model 1902" was a cannon designed by Krupp for our Army.

If the actual caliber had been 128mm, it would be better to note that small difference in measuring the length of the barrel since that difference would multiply by 26, which would give a difference of 52mm, meaning that the total length should be 3328mm, far from the 3380mm  measured.

Again, you seem to ignore the simple fact that a 130 mm shell cannot be fired through a 130 mm barrel,. The atual caliber is determined by the width of the base of the shell! not the BORE of the barrel)

 Do not be confused by the "heavy" categories employed by the Argentine Army:(or any other South American Natin0 Sometimes heavy, in their terminology simply refers to  the weight o the tube (e.g. the Krupp They do not correspond to similar categories in Major Armies. For example, , as Dick mentions in pag.425  The Krupp 75 mm L.24 models  1880, 1884, and 1895 were referred to in Argentina as "light cannon" but the Krupp 75 mm L.28 they considered a "heavy cannon" (and May I add Brazil as well...And by the way: on pag. 427 Dick mentiones the acquisition of the 12 Krupp  150 mod. 1911 as Heavy hows. If you look at page 541 of the same book, you'll see that the 105 mm l.35 and the 130 mm L.26 are rated as sieg guns (caÁones de sitio)

the book "Historia Argentina Contemporanea 1862-1930"  that you recommended, talks about Heavy Howitzers of 10.5cm "....... That is to say, at some point if they ( the 130mm) were considered "heavy weapons" (in his time it was really the heaviest weapon of the Argentine Army)

So does Dick in his book (page 427) but I belive this refers to the weight of the tube (see how thick it was) rather than the actual category by caliber, which was medium.....

Yourself recognize that the rating of "heavy" changed over time, and the designation of Krupp130mm L26 Argentine Model 1902 corresponds to a qualification of 1928 ....

Read my answer correctly. I said that Argentine artillery designations did not correspond to that of the major powers,where guns like the 155 how  would not  be considered heavy but medium

 That reassures him ???? Who is him???????

 Only the breech block was changed, an operation that proved difficult in our arsenals, and combined with the failures of the Krupp1898 model led Colonel Riccheri to an interpellation of the Senate in 1903

Read the DIARIO DE SESIONES correctly-this was raised by oponents of Roca (and therefore Ricchieri)  as a political move.. nothing else. Out of 180 mod. 1898 recive, 5 or six showed defects. In Ricchieri's own words, nothing that could not be remedied by simply filing down the protruding pats)-Note that he said 5 or six..They were delivered with unusual haste because war with Chile seemed inminent.. So a few guns required minor repairs   and that does not constitute a failure