Landships II

Aleksandr · Captain

Old topic - new information: Russian MkV in WWII

Aleksandr · Captain

I don't know, why my code not work. Try other way...

eugene · Field Marshal

some of those tanks look like the ones in the picture of the two tanks near a church with germans.

also what about those photos of a Mk.V in Stalingrad any more info on that?

Ive also read that some garford putilovs were used in 1941 is this true? and are there any photos of them?

Centurion · Legend

These were Mk V hermaphrodites (composite) originally left behind (donated) by British forces operating in the Baltic against the Bolsheviks. They were, I believe, by 1940 relegated to duty as mobile block houses as part of the defences of Tallin and offered no resistance to the Red Army when it occupied Estonia. They may have been used in the same role aginst the Germans in 1941. I have somewhere (misfiled !) a nice shot of one in position in about 1939. If I can find it I'll ost it.

Michel Boer · Brigadier

Here's a pic of a MK-V female serving as monument in Archangelsk. Don't know the story of this one, but since the British forces intervened through Archangelsk, it probably came with them and stayed there.
Don't know about any Putilov-Garfords being used in WW2, but since they all saw action in WW1, the RCW and the Russo Polish war, it's not likely that they survived. The Latvians had 2 of them, though one (the Lacplesis) was taken out of action in 1919. The other one may have been used in the Latvian area after the Soviet invasion of 1940.
The Austin Kegresse half-tracked has been reported to have been in use in 1941 by NKVD border guards, although I have no photographic evidence of that.

all the best,
Michel.

eugene · Field Marshal

i remember reading about some being used for defense in 1941 in the baltic states might have been Latvia, also Romania had several garfords what happened to them?

Aleksandr · Captain

I never head nothing about MkV in Stalingrad. Estonian tanks was not used against Red Army in 1940 because no any straggle (as far as I know). They stays on arsenal/ and was used agains German army. I read it in memoirs of Smirnov, comissar of Tallin's front.

I saw one Renault FT-17 in German chronicle film 1941 near the Brestskaya fortress.

Face of Russian Perestroyka: MkV from Arkhangelsk was sailed for scrub, but one bisnessman buy it and put again at the old place,

Michel Boer · Brigadier

Aleksandr wrote:

Face of Russian Perestroyka: MkV from Arkhangelsk was sailed for scrub, but one bisnessman buy it and put again at the old place,

That's a relief!

Michel.

Michel Boer · Brigadier

eugene wrote:

i remember reading about some being used for defense in 1941 in the baltic states might have been Latvia, also Romania had several garfords what happened to them?

Have been digging in my info on Romanian armour in WW2, but no accounts of any Garford. I found one quotation of the Romanians having captured German A/C's during WW1 but nothing on Garfords. As the Romanians were previously allied to the Russians, it's most probable that when they had Garfords, they would have captured them from the Germans or the Austrians, or at a later moment during their intervention in the Russian Civil War. Do you have any photo's of Romanian Garfords?

All the best,
Michel.

Centurion · Legend

I am amazed at the information that comes out of Russia (and all the other parts of the old USSR). However I should not be surprised, on a different topic a Finnish business man recently bought a surplus Russian Mig 21 to use as a ' gate guardian' for the car park of his super market. It turned out to be a variant that NATO intelligence had never even known existed!

I have also heard of a Mk V being used in Stalingrad. Back in the 80s I once attended a very boozy international oil industry working party in Wiesbaden. Amongst the attendees were two Stalingrad survivors, one from each side. They spent much of the evening condemning the incompetence of their relative senior commands. If I'd known then what I know now I could have asked them.

eugene · Field Marshal

romanian garford is just a foot note i read about total numbers of garfords made it said that in 1916 2 were delivered to the romanians

wish there were photos

also i believe vulkata posted a picture of a Mk.V at Stalingard, when this forum was just starting