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Legend

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This is more to do with the Berlin 1945 Mk Vs, but can anyone i.d. the gun in this picture? It might help to dispel the nonsense about the tanks having taken part in the fighting. Many thanks.

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15cm schwere FH 13?

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That would be my guess. The recoil assembly has failed and the barrel slid back.

There is a similar gun at Mt Morgan in Qld - the front of the barrel and recoil assembly are badly damaged

and the barrel has slid rearwards.

Regards,

Charlie

 



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Very interesting. There are some more guns to identify if someone would be so kind please:

http://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/germany/1944-1945/Berlin_Museum_1945.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1011/937585038_9e79c240e5.jpg

http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/uk/MK_V/Mk_V.htm

http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/uk/MK_V/Mk_V-2.html (warning to those easily offended by WW1 tanks being scrapped - mildly graphic image on bottom)

Regards, Pat



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Legend

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I'll try for some of them - I've cut out the image of the gun from the larger image and attached.

1. Canon de 155 L Mle 1917 Schneider - the top of the gun shield is torn away. The Wehrmacht used lots of these captured guns.

2. 21cm Morser - can't tell if it's an M10 or M16

3. 13cm Feldkanone M09

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Charlie



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Many thanks for the ID. I did recognize the Mörser, but not the Schneider howitzer, and certainly not the 13cm gun which I mistook for a Russian booty gun.

Best regards, Pat



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Thank you very much, citizens. Whilst I very much appreciate and am impressed by the responses, they haven't told me what I was hoping to hear: that these guns were all Russian and/or museum pieces, too old and obsolete to have been used in the fighting in 1945.

Maybe we can have a try with these, especially the recoilless piece on the left.



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The gun in the foreground looks like a Russian 152mm ML-20 M37 gun/howitzer. The recoil system has failed and the rubber tyres

are missing. The old gun in the background looks like an RML (rifled muzzle loader) but I'm probably wrong.

Regards,

Charlie

 

 



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Another gun from the first series of images. Beside the Mark V is a 10cm leFH 18 light howitzer - it isn't the later 18M and 18/40 variants because these

had muzzle brakes. 

Regards,

Charlie

 



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Sorry for being late - thank you for the identification.

Could the gun in the middle background be a 105mm Schneider howitzer? The carriage has the curved sides. Regards, Pat



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Certainly could be a Schneider gun or a licence built Russian 107mm. 

I've had a thought about the gun at the back - the one seemingly without a recoil assembly - how about a British 8inch Mark VI howitzer?

Regards,

Charlie

 



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All suggestions very kind. The theory is that the lineup comprised weapons captured by the Germans in the Soviet Union. The Mk Vs, as we have discussed many times, came from Smolensk, but the artillery should be mostly Russian.



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James H wrote:

The theory is that the lineup comprised weapons captured by the Germans in the Soviet Union. The Mk Vs, as we have discussed many times, came from Smolensk, but the artillery should be mostly Russian.


 

Given that they had scrapped church bells and what not at the time, I find it odd the Germans kept Russian booty guns exhibited in the center of Berlin.

Not that that regime was led by ratio, though. So your assumption might be correct, and I regret not being able to add any new facts to it. Regards, Pat

 



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