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My latest artwork project is the US 14 inch Model E railway gun and while I've found a lot of good reference to develop the plan view I have no idea what color the actual weapon might have been. All the black and white photos show her without camouflage but apart from that I'm at a loss.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Paul



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There is no certain way to know, but I believe the most likely color is dark or perhaps olive green.

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I think STZ said US OD was sot of a dark earth color to put it politely

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Thanks for the feedback. I figured olive drab was probably only standardized during the interwar years. Brown is probably a pretty safe bet.



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The 14inch Model E wasn't built until 1919 - I think it probably was captured by the change to OD.

Ralph Lovett comments in this thread - http://landships.activeboard.com/t50247210/us-army-vehicle-colors-1901-to-1916/ that US artillery

was OD during WW1 except for the 3-colour camouflaged pieces from 1918.

Charlie

 



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Thanks again everybody. I guess Olive Drab is probably the safest bet.

I have an additional request. I'm basing my artwork on diagrams and photos found in Ordnance Dept Document ODD 2034. Unfortunately the PDF I found online has less than stellar resolution on the diagrams and although very helpful, clearer scans would be a godsend.

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.

PM me.

Paul

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography"
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Hi Paul,

I have an original copy of the ODD.  Please tell which pages you want scanned and I will see what I can do.

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Marc

 



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Thanks Marc,

Pages 301, 306, 322 and 326 would help the most.

Paul



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Hi Paul,

I have scans of those pages. Please check your PM.

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I haven't the foggiest idea of what the colors are, the only picture I have in my files is from a book called "Age of Great Gums', and it does show camouflage..Note the shadow of the soldier to the left of the camouflage net

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I wondered by seeing the US 14 inch Model E railway gun, How much advanced the technologies in those olden days. This was really amazing one. I have done certain research work about this with the help of research paper writing service  



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It's been slow going (with a few long pauses here and there) but I'm making pretty good progress on my Adobe Illustrator line art.

This project has evolved a bit differently than previous renderings due to the wealth of details which the ODD document provides. In addition to a simple external profile, I'm also preparing artwork for the interior. Not sure exactly how it's going to all come together as I've toyed with doing a cutaway version showing both external and internal details.

Perhaps I'll post some jpegs to show some of the progress.

Paul

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I've attached a jpeg showing the completed vectors of the interior view. I don't think I've drawn so many rivets in my entire life.

Paul



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Very impressive!

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Many thanks to Marc for his help in providing scans of the ODD which helped flesh out the details on this beast. Attached is a jpeg of the vectors for the exterior view. The weapon is depicted in its traveling configuration with the exception of the elevated barrel, folded down personnel platforms and jacking wheel on the front of the gondola above the truck (I'm guessing that's what this was for). This was chosen more for artistic purposes rather than outright accuracy.

Enjoy your Memorial Day.

Paul



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That is looking seriously good!

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Roger Todd wrote:

That is looking seriously good!


 Thanks Roger! I've begun the process of bringing all the vectors into Photoshop to create the raster artwork. It may take a while until the next update.

Paul



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Here a few jpegs showing various details of the interior and exterior. Enjoy!

Paul

us-14e.jpgus-14e-center.jpgus-14e-rear.jpgus-14e-i.jpgus-14e-i-center.jpgus-14e-i-rear.jpg



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Fantastic!

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Hi - I don't post much but do read the site quite a bit - I thought I would attach a few pictures of my 14" Model E model in 1/35th scale project I did about 2 years ago just for anyone interested (as it relates to the very nice drawings above).  Back in the 1970s Mr. R.D. Fritz made a set of plans which were redrawn from the Ordnance Documents mentioned above. His drawings were what actually got me interested in railway artillery as a kid.  His Dora plans were the basis of SOAR ART's Dora model in 1/35th scale.  At the time,  he was consulting directly with Mr. G.B. Jarrett and Mr. Charles Yust (both of whom were at APG during WWII) and associated post war with the APG museum.  

In one picture you can also see a comparison of the 16" Model E carriage (something in work at the time of the photos) to the 14" Model E carriage. 

With Regards

Greg

 

 



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Hi - Since the thread earlier discussed color - here is a snippet from a rare 1942 color photo taken at APG.
The 14" Model E at that time at least had been painted a shade of olive Drab.
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Hi Epoch3, none of your photos open full size, all I can see are the thumbnails.

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They open fine for me. Roger, I can download them and send them to you if you wish.

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As information, all pics now open when clicked on.

If I may add, Greg (Epoche3) is far too modest in his descriptive comments.   The rail-gun he's pictured is the result of his remarkable 3D drawing skills.  It is the ultimate result of scratch-building. I suspect the weapon system was entirely printed by Shapeways (expensive), and is likely composed of ump-teen pieces painstakingly cleaned of resin residue, and glued into place; one of the best detailed 3D created models you may ever view.



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MLW wrote:

They open fine for me. Roger, I can download them and send them to you if you wish.

Regards,
Marc


Marc, thank you for your offer! However, bizarrely, they DO now open for me! I suspect my ancient PC was having on off day before...



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Epoch3, that is an awesome model - superb!

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Hi Epoch3, I'd bet by 1942, everything at the APG would have been painted OD!

Nixe II & the Schneider at the APG c 1942. https://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1102&u=11015300



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Hi - the original photo shows the US 14" Model E, the German 24cm Karl brought to APG at the end of war I and the US 16" Model E all in various shades of gray green/drab. These were presumably being photographed prior to being sent to the scrapyard for recycling (in 1942). I know the 24cm was repainted close to original colors after APG was finished taking it apart and reassembling for analysis in the very early twenties and in my opinion the US guns had been painted shades of drab much earlier as well. The guns would have been long considered obsolete and probably not maintained (or repainted) for quite some time prior to being sent to recycling (just an opinion).



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