Landships II

przemekm · Corporal

15 cm Krupp 1902, barell ID

CharlieC · Legend

Any idea on the provenance of the gun barrel?

It's not the barrel from a 15cm sFH 02 because it has an interrupted screw breech. The barrel also looks

a bit shorter than the sFH 02.

The barrel design looks like an 1890s design - the sFH02 had a 2 tube barrel design.

Charlie

-- Edited by CharlieC on Wednesday 14th of February 2018 10:38:21 AM

przemekm · Corporal

I will write more data next week. At the moment, I do not have more information.

Przemek

przemekm · Corporal

In museum papers there is only mention of Japan. [Export to Japan?] No more info. / In PL maybe after PL-RU war 1920 [?]

Przemek

CharlieC · Legend

Japan might be the source of the barrel. During WW1 (1915-17) Japan sold Russia about 800 artillery pieces of varying types including

16 Krupp 15cm howitzers. These seem to have been 15cm Model 1893 howitzers but there's no indication when they were

imported into Japan (http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/krupp.htm#15). By WW1 the Japanese Army had adopted the 15cm Type 38

howitzer (Japanese built Krupp sFH02) so the older guns were probably obsolete.

The M1893 howitzer had a sliding wedge breech unlike this barrel which has an interrupted screw breech. However, Krupp would supply

whatever a client wanted and there are a number of examples of Krupp guns being produced with screw breeches when the original had

a sliding wedge breech. The Japanese Army had a preference for interrupted screw breeches.

Regards,

Charlie

-- Edited by CharlieC on Sunday 25th of February 2018 10:28:28 PM

-- Edited by CharlieC on Monday 26th of February 2018 06:33:58 AM

przemekm · Corporal

Thanks!
I found other pages with this drawing www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/k15.jpg but the same small resolution...

Interesting - "Imported Qty : 18".

Regards

CharlieC · Legend

Where is this gun barrel located? It may be the only remnant of the 15cm Krupp guns imported into Japan.

Regards,

Charlie

przemekm · Corporal

Polish Army Museum in Warsaw, www.muzeumwp.pl/
They will try to open breech.
They have a Krupp catalog there, I not watched it yet. (in it will be rather standard types of cannons)

Przemek

nuyt · Major

Kosar shows a picture of the 15cm L11 Krupp howitzer (sorry, no scanner), with "Lafettenrucklauf", in use in Japan. Looks a match.

przemekm · Corporal

In Kosar book is a 149 Japan type, [you think about this photo?]:

149 japan.jpg

Im interested in biggest version of photo, or book source:

Regards

CharlieC · Legend

The howitzer in Kosar's book is a 15cm Type 38 howitzer - this was pretty similar to the German 15cm sFH02. You can see

the built up construction of the barrel. The barrel in the Warsaw museum, in the drawing from Taki's website and the German

15cm M1893 howitzer all had monoblock barrel construction - the barrel was machined from a single piece of steel.

Regards,

Charlie

przemekm · Corporal

Thanks for info,

Image from Taki:

nuyt · Major

Thanks for scanning, but I mean the lower picture on p 190 (I have the german edition). This is the very last page of the Japan section :)

przemekm wrote:
In Kosar book is a 149 Japan type, [you think about this photo?]:

Im interested in biggest version of photo, or book source:

Regards

nuyt · Major

Here it is

przemekm · Corporal

Thanks !
And i have an answer from Krupp archive: