Landships II

SMK · Major

Holt tractor

Willem Visser · Brigadier

www.roden.eu/HTML/framemodels1.htm

Willem Visser · Brigadier

Roden Holt.jpg

Image from PMMS

Pierantonio · Lieutenant-Colonel

Now waiting a plastic 8-inch howitzers Mk 6

Paul Bonnett · Hero

I hope all these wonderful new releases dont dry up come next year ! This will be joining my collection too
Paul

Patrick · Private

I like Roden Kits very much. Since I build braille-scale, I hope of course on the Holt in scale 1:72.

jellytwig · Lieutenant

RE: 8" howitzer

Pierantonio · Lieutenant-Colonel

RE: Holt tractor

mikegrieve · Corporal

Hi there all

It would appear that Roden are planning to release a 1/35 scale BL 8in howitzer Mk.VI:

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ROD813

In addition, Thunder Models recently said on Facebook:

“Our upcoming release <1/35 British 7.2in howitzer> scheduled for late March roughly, it comes with a small bunch of accessories and ammo, later on we will also offer earlier WWI variant of this howitzer”, but apparently they’ve not yet decided whether to release it as a Mk.VI or VIII

Best regards

Mike

-- Edited by mikegrieve on Thursday 15th of March 2018 01:07:06 PM

Pierantonio · Lieutenant-Colonel

Waiting the BL 8in howitzer a possible set wuold be an Holt tractor towing a captured Krupp 21cm Morser 10/16 (from Takom)

SMK · Major

Howitzer or no Howitzer .......

I will definitely get myself a Holt Tractor!😎

greetz Ronald

-- Edited by SMK on Sunday 18th of March 2018 01:36:49 PM

Peter Smith · Captain

Nice. Bring on more like this. Foster-Daimler Artillery Tractor? Traction engines? A7V and Schneider load carriers. etc etc. I wonder if Resicast will cash in by releasing an upgrade set using parts of their kit? This kit by Roden is bound to pull the rug from under their sales.

Thunder have announced a Caterpillar Sixty but I believe that's several years post-war.

JamesAPrattIII · Lieutenant-Colonel

I believe the Russian army did use some Holt tractors and the Germans did capture and use a few. Not 100% sure.

baldwin · Hero

Foster Daimler,mine out soon,doing the dreaded instructions now.1:76th scale

Danny69 · Corporal

I have been watching the WD Models site for your release of the Foster Daimler looks amazing!!

baldwin · Hero

Danny

Shouldn't be too long,assembling another one and thid time taking pic's for the instrutions!!!

Keep an eye on my website.

JamesAPrattIII · Lieutenant-Colonel

The great war forum is where there is mention of 80 Holt tractors being used by the Russians and a picture of one captured by the Germans at Minsk.

From the Book " Diary of General Vladimir Mikihailovich Bezorazov Commander of the Russian Imperial guard 1914-1917":
26 Feb/11 mar 1915 "New tractor drawn 6 inch field guns of the Schneider type with a range of 12 versts have arrived." These are most likely 152mm Putilov M10 field guns. This site mentions them as being towed by Allis-Chalmers tractors.

CharlieC · Legend

The reference to the Allis-Chambers tractors comes from A B Shirokorad's "Encyclopedia of Russian Artillery" - it was one of those details

that popped out of the machine translation and I just had to put it in the article. The Russian Army used a lot of half-track Allis-Chambers

vehicles - I think they got them cheap because they were a commercial failure in the US.

Regards,

Charlie

Danny69 · Corporal

Currently building the Roden Holt, very nice so far , check out their website for updated instruction PDF as there are a few things wrong with the one in the box.

The parts need a bit of clean up, but hey its a Holt in plastic.

Just need a nice Gun for it to pull now, so will wait out for Thunder models WW1 gun.

thorst · Colonel

Mine arrived today. If there is interest, I will take some pictures from the sprues.

Is there any good reference to the Holt 75 I could compare the kit to?

Best regards,
Thorsten

thorst · Colonel

Hello again,

I had a first look at the kit. Overall it seems to be nice, but it has some large sink marks, most notably on the roof. But nothing you can not fix. A second point which should be adressed is the suspension, which seems to be molded in unloaded state. This means that the track laying on the support rollers is in line with the top of the drive wheel, and goes down to the idler wheel. On all pictures I could find, the support rollers should be on the same level as the idler wheel, and the track would then rise towars the drive wheel. Shortening the springs (parts 21D) by a millimetre or two should fix this issue.

I hope that I can start to actually build the kit soon.

Best regards,
Thorsten

Pierantonio · Lieutenant-Colonel

For now I haven't this kit but I found this post by JJ Marshallsay on Accuracy in Scale Modelling (AISM) face book page
www.facebook.com/photo.php

"Roden's 1:35 Holt 75 artillery tractor. For a brand new release, it's shocking. The mold lines are excessive as is the flash. When looking at the instructions, some of the numbers don't match up with the numbers on the sprue, some parts aren't even in the instructions. You have to guess by looking at the next drawings to figure it out and the fit quality is awful. As for the tracks, what a nightmare and the less said about the front wheel the better. It was only 44 years experience in model making that for me through it. Still, got it completed and I'm reasonably happy with the results."

Looking at his pictures it looks like he built the kit OOTB waiting for a "Tamiya quality" fit but finding an "old school" model. In my opinion he is too much pessimist. The kit needs (may be lot of) some works but nothing a normal skilled modeller could do.

Regards,
Pierantonio

Danny69 · Corporal

Its fine for me paid just over £30 for this , i found it goes together well if you dry fit , and clean up. I have built the Resicast Holt and it is amazing but the price is a wee bit different.(used in my profile pic). I am also working on a 1/32 traction engine.

jch_in_uk · Captain

Pierantonio wrote:
For now I haven't this kit but I found this post by JJ Marshallsay on Accuracy in Scale Modelling (AISM) face book page
www.facebook.com/photo.php

"Roden's 1:35 Holt 75 artillery tractor. For a brand new release, it's shocking. The mold lines are excessive as is the flash. When looking at the instructions, some of the numbers don't match up with the numbers on the sprue, some parts aren't even in the instructions. You have to guess by looking at the next drawings to figure it out and the fit quality is awful. As for the tracks, what a nightmare and the less said about the front wheel the better. It was only 44 years experience in model making that for me through it. Still, got it completed and I'm reasonably happy with the results."

Looking at his pictures it looks like he built the kit OOTB waiting for a "Tamiya quality" fit but finding an "old school" model. In my opinion he is too much pessimist. The kit needs (may be lot of) some works but nothing a normal skilled modeller could do.

Regards,
Pierantonio

Perhaps Mr. Marshall would prefer one of these? https://ccmodels.com/model-announcement-holt-75-tractor-8/

jh

SMK · Major

I see some of you already got the kit

Where did you buy it ?

Willem Visser · Brigadier

Maybe here:
www.passion132.com/gb/artillerie/122168-roden-812-135-holt-75-artillery-tractor.html
In stock .....

SMK · Major

👍🏻

placed an order

greetz Ronald

SMK · Major

Got one 😜

It’s a very big box in relation to the content ,but that means big box art , and I like the box art 🙂

At first glance , I see some sink holes and flash, but nothing we can’t handle with some putty and sandpaper.

It looks like the roof of the real thing is corrugated sheet metal .The part in the kit looks a little chuncky as welll as the fenders.

One think looks odd....., it seems you have to bend the fenderparts of the kit .......maybe I will replace those parts🤔

The instructions seems allright with clear drawings

But I’ll have to see once I started

All in all , I‘v a good feeling about this Kit.....

greetz Ronald.

thorst · Colonel

Does your roof part (for the corrugated sheet metal) also have severe sink marks along the middle? I already applied 3 layers off liquid green stuff and the holes are still visible.

I am 2 or 3 steps through the build, but that really cost me a lot of putty already! Filling all the sinkmarks and covering the wide seam lines is a pain!

However, I still look gorward to the end result.

SMK · Major

Thorst ,
You’re right concerning the roof ...
A lot of sink holes in the middle of the roof. but I already decided to replace this part with corrugated sheet ...

But I found a much bigger problem .......

In the kit I have there are two A sprues and zero C sprue 🤨
This will be a problem to complete the Model .......

I hope Roden has a good customer support

greetz Ronald

-- Edited by SMK on Thursday 17th of May 2018 07:00:19 AM

Pzkpfw-e · Commander in Chief

Willem Visser wrote:
Maybe here:
www.passion132.com/gb/artillerie/122168-roden-812-135-holt-75-artillery-tractor.html
In stock .....

"This extremely limited edition model will be created in the number of 33 pieces, at a price of $5995.00 each."

Willem Visser · Brigadier

Pzkpfw-e wrote:
Willem Visser wrote:
Maybe here:
www.passion132.com/gb/artillerie/122168-roden-812-135-holt-75-artillery-tractor.html
In stock .....

"This extremely limited edition model will be created in the number of 33 pieces, at a price of $5995.00 each."

I don't know where you got that text from.

I can still buy it for much less -)

roden passion.JPG

SMK · Major

There is another model of the Holt 75 but it is in 1/24 scale
It is in brass an de 8 “ howitzer is included .

ccmodels.com/shop/holt-75-tractor-8-inch-howitzer/

on this site there is a very interesting attachment included

pls check out

https://ccmodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/CCM_Brochure_for_Holt75_Howitzer.pdf

greetz Ronald

-- Edited by SMK on Saturday 26th of May 2018 11:00:56 AM

Willem Visser · Brigadier

Yes, I know, but what has that to do with my link that was coppied?
My link refers to the Roden model and Passionmodels and that model is still available and for less.....
I do not understand.....

SMK · Major

I have had contact with the people of Roden

and I hope to receive the missing sprue intieme very near future😀

On the PMMS site I saw an announcement of 1/35 Friul tracks for a U.S D7 bulldozer which is also a product of the Holt/Caterpilar company

Are these tracks similair to the tracks used on the Holt 75, so can I use them as replacement for the Kit tracks ........?

greetz Ronald

-- Edited by SMK on Sunday 27th of May 2018 09:26:20 AM

-- Edited by SMK on Sunday 27th of May 2018 09:27:23 AM

-- Edited by SMK on Sunday 27th of May 2018 09:28:36 AM

SMK · Major

had a good look at the tracks but in comparison they look totaly different.😕

-- Edited by SMK on Sunday 27th of May 2018 01:53:16 PM

Pzkpfw-e · Commander in Chief

Willem Visser wrote:
Yes, I know, but what has that to do with my link that was coppied?
My link refers to the Roden model and Passionmodels and that model is still available and for less.....
I do not understand.....

Muggins here clicked on the wrong post to reply to!

Willem Visser · Brigadier

Ah, now I understand. Solved.

SMK · Major

Hey there,

Despite of the fact that I still haven‘t received the missing C sprue, I have started with the build.

I must say: It’s a challange 😏

Lots of cleanup of the parts and not as sharp as we are used to from the big manufacturers.

Parts I had to modify ,for example the the ring in which the fwd wheel is placed

It concists of two rings you have to glue together, but after that there is a huge seem which I could not fix.

So I cut off all brackets and trimmed off the ring and inserted a piece of plastic card and put the brackets back again.

I did some other modifications and I guess there will be a few more in the future......

So far I am still happy, I don’t mind the extra work ,but I am very curious how this kit will end up ........

greetz Ronald

-- Edited by SMK on Sunday 3rd of June 2018 06:08:25 PM

Willem Visser · Brigadier

looks like there is a lot of filler needed to make this one looking good.
The tracks seem to be ok ... Not looking for aftermarket ones?
Best regards,
Willem