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Peter T


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Now on Ebay! Caption reads: "A7V Panzer Versuchswagen Tank Prototyp Raupen-Selbstfahrlafette". Of course it's not an A7V prototype!



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Looks like a beute Renault FB.



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The vehicle has a 6 digit serial number - if it's French this is the registration number allocated when the vehicle was accepted from production.

Definitely a Renault FB - look at the serial number - 177463 - 177xxx is the number series for the FBs.

Regards,

Charlie

 



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Yes and I am still the high bidder.

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Bonjour,

This artillery tractor, the Renault FP 130 cv, was built by Renault with carriage from Saint Chamond.

Il was first, a refused tank program from 40 tons, cooperation between FAMH and Renault.

This tank project, from July 1916, was refused and  350 Renault FP was produced from february 1917 upwards.

Bon week-end - Michel

PS - Artillery tractor, don't used tank's number but vehicule's number, like all military trucks.



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Well, well.

http://www.les-renault-d-avant-guerre.com/t4330-Tracteurs-Caterpillars-FP.htm

Any explanation of how it fell into German hands?

And for the modeller:

 



-- Edited by James H on Sunday 6th of October 2019 02:31:26 PM

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Bonjour James,

" Any explanation of how it fell into German hands? "

Certainly in 1918, after attacks from March, and perhaps in Chemin des Dames sector.

We have lost , very quicly, a lot of kilometers, in some days . . . . . 

It's well in a french camp (Camp A), with Adrian's cabin. 

Bonne soirée - Michel

 



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Merci, Michel. This is most interesting.

I had always believed that these:

FP4.jpg

were Renault FB (porteur) carrying FTs to the Foret de Retz, but now I'm not sure what's what. I've also read Charlie's article, but I'm still puzzled. The FB and FP were definitely different things? Are there any photos to compare the two?



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James,

The Renault FB  is a four wheels truck, light model from the four wheels truck Renault EG !

There is only one model from tracked Artillery Tractor Renault FP 130 cv !

Bonne soirée - Michel



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I took my lead from French authors - in particular the Francois Vauvillier article in GBM 87

on artillery tractors. I'm quite happy to accept, and correct, if needs be, the text on Landships II but,

as they say in Science, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

Regards,

Charlie

Later - fr.wikipedia.org says the Renault FB was a lightened version of the EG but was eliminated from the 1913 evaluation

of 4-wheel drive trucks for the French Army.

 

 



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What was the tank project or projects it was based on, any idea, what was it surposed to look like??

All the best

Tim R

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"This artillery tractor, the Renault FP 130 cv, was built by Renault with carriage from Saint Chamond.

Il was first, a refused tank program from 40 tons, cooperation between FAMH and Renault.

This tank project, from July 1916, was refused and  350 Renault FP was produced from february 1917 upwards.

Bon week-end - Michel"

 

 



-- Edited by Tim R on Tuesday 8th of October 2019 05:59:18 PM

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Ah. In GBM 87 Francois V does, indeed, call this vehicle the FB. That makes life complicated. I haven't re-read the article, but I will, tonight.

I think I remember reading somewhere  - maybe in Jeudy - that Renault and FAMH collaborated on a project for a large tank, but Renault and/or Estienne felt it was a distraction. I'll do some more reading.



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Bonjour James

If I have done (two times !) a typing error (it's 120 cv), this caterpillar is well a FP and not a FB

The "FB" in GBM 87 is also a typing error and, if you look in GBM 112 (page 33), it's well "FP"

 

See also : WW1 Renault FP Artillery and Tank transporter 1/35° from U-models (N° UM 482)

 

Here is a drawing of Renault heavy tank project, from summer 1916.

 

Renault - Projet de char 40 tonnes (01)-min.jpg

Bon week-end - Michel



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Michel

  Thank you so much!!!

All the best

Tim R.



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C'est ça. Merci Michel. It's in Malmassari Chars de la grande guerre.



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I know this thread is quite old, but do you know where you got the Renault heavy tank design from?

Oh I didn't even read the post. Sorry



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