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Legend

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Would like opinons on the idents of the attached. These are from the image collection of the WW1 War Memorial.

1. US coastal artillery piece in US fortification

2. 12inch mortar at Ostend, Belgian coast

3. Pair of German coastal defence guns Belgian coast

4. 17/19cm German gun in fixed mounting

5. Heavy German gun in armoured turret Ostend

6. MG on anti-aircraft mount - don't recognise the MG

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Charlie

 



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The mg looks like a St. Étienne Mle 1907.



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Let's give it a try..

1-?
2- 5,7 cm Kanone in Panzer-Lafette (Fahrpanzer)
3- 17 cm S.K. L/40 in Mittel-Pivot-Lafette C/02 from Battery Gneisenau II
4- 25,4 cm L/45 M92 Russian gun captured and used by the Germans
5- 28 cm S.K. L/45 in Küsten-Panzer-lafette from Battery Tirpitz
6-?

regards Arjen

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Thank you for your help with these. I find I struggle with the old guns due to a lack of references and Google is of little help.

Here's some more for your puzzlement

1. German howitzers surrendered after the Armistice - look very old with massive carriages

2. Another German long range gun - I think this one is a Canet gun but not sure if Russian or French.

3. Mangled 10cm(?) guns, can't decide if Krupp M92 or Russian 1877 guns

4. Looks de Bange but the barrel seems too massive for a de Bange gun

5. We have a model of the carriage on the forum at the moment don't know about the gun though.

The 25.4cm M92 Russian gun from the last post was emplaced outside Crepy-en-Laonnais - it was on another print of the image.

On Google maps there is a location for a "Berta emplacement" in a wood north of the village of Crepy so the emplacement in the image may still be there.

Regards,

Charlie

  



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Charlie,  You've produced an interesting pic in the first one listed.

These are "Beute" systems, converted and pressed into service.   They were original Krupp produced, in place, 15cm Belgian fortress pieces.  They were given purpose built all steel carriages. At least two batteries were provided with these guns; perhaps more.   

The 2nd gun was previously identified.

The remaining 3 are all Italian; likely abandoned  Caparetto victims.

 

 



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Pointing me at Italian guns has been productive

I think the 4th one is an Italian 210mm L/13.5 M78 howitzer but I've been unable to find any more information on this one 

The 5th one may be a Cannone da 254/40 M89/97 in de Stefano carriage

3rd one still has me beat 

Exactly why the War Memorial database is giving me Italian guns when I asked for "French artillery" will remain an enigma. 

And the first image of the last set was a 10 inch gun M1888 on a disappearing carriage M1896 in the No.2 emplacement Church Battery, Fort Monroe, VA.

The image was taken in early 1918. 

Charlie



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Two more that have got me beat. The caption on the first one says "railway howitzers". The second "gun on battlefield".

I think the gun might old and German.

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Charlie

  



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.... can't open the pics, but from the naked eye, the first clearly illustrates Brit depressed flats.  Can't make out the ordnance though..... Can you re-post ?



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Strange - the images work for me - I'm in the lunatic fringe (Mac user).

I agree the rail carriage on the railway gun looks like a British Elswick carriage used for the 12inch howitzers.

Regards,

Charlie

 



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Found the second one - the strange looking railway guns. They are American built to carry 12 inch Model 1890 coastal defence mortars. The mortars had elevation

between 35 and 65 degrees and fairly modest range but someone thought it a good idea. About 60 of these were built but they never made it to France before the Armistice.  

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Charlie

 



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charlie,

The other image is a German  Lange 15cm Kanone, or more commonly called "Ringkanone".  They were crewed by Reserve Foot Artillery personnel during the Great War.  The same weapon system was a popular Krupp export item.  Large numbers were sold to the Ruski and some to Belgium.  The export versions had solid trunnion supports while the German version was skeletal.



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