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Legend

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The terrible conditions on the Western Front may have been made much worse by anomalous weather from 1913-19.

Research has suggested that Europe had much higher rainfall and lower temperatures than normal during WW1.

The consequences in the low lying Belgian countryside are all too well known in the British offensives of 1917.

Like all things climate related a good bullshit detector is required but it's an interesting idea.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2020/09/24/the-unfortunate-climate-anomaly-of-the-first-world-war-revealed/

Regards,

Charlie

 



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Well theres a lot of things that can effect the climate and throughout recorded history there have been a series of deadly climate and geological events that have significantly impacted the human population... I see no mention of volcanic activity for example, the little ice age that killed of the medieval settlements of greenland or the great storms of the norths sea which swept away huge areas of land from the coast both in Britain and Europe...

This is not to say that human pollution has not had a serious effect and there is no doubt in my mind of that, but climate events over a number of years that come and go are a regular cycle for which we can only expect to see worse in the future as a result of humanitys contribution....

 

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It took a bit of digging but this story is related to a recent theory which considers the effect that the gravitational interplay between

Jupiter and Saturn have on the amount of dust that arrives on the Earth every year. There seems to be a strong 60 year cycle in volume 

of dust (there are meteorite records going back to 650 BCE in China) which aligns with a similar cycle in global average temperature.

The amount of dust entering the atmosphere is related to the amount of cloud cover since the dust particles act as nuclei for water droplet

formation. We're not due for another minimum until 2036.

https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2020/09/24/nicola-scafetta-jupiters-orbital-eccentricity-may-drive-60yr-and-millennial-climate-cycles/

there's link to the original paper on this page.

I did check - there was a VEI 6 eruption of Novarupta, Alaska in June 1912 which is a bit early for global climate changes in WW1.

Regards,

Charlie

 



-- Edited by CharlieC on Saturday 26th of September 2020 10:51:15 AM

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I'm sure there are lots of contributing factors, but yes I think the Novarupta eruption could have been a contributing factor being rather large at VEI 6 perhaps a kickstarter, the point is the article doesn't entertain such events..

Theres an extensive list of confirmed eruptions at https://volcano.si.edu/search_eruption.cfm most are relatively minor but it could be the quantity rather then quality that matters here...

An interesting article here on the subject https://earthdata.nasa.gov/learn/sensing-our-planet/volcanoes-and-climate-change

 



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As all of us know, there are many interacting events that can affect weather.  Certainly a major volcanic event is one.  As for those of you who live in the western USA know, smoke from multiple major wildfires is another . . . could battlefield smoke been another?  Sun spots activity is yet another.  But there are many other annual events (eg, alignment of planets) that we're not generally aware of, but historical records show that  the frequency can be shown to occur in sine waves with periods differing from short term to long term.  When maximum (or minimum) values of multiple sine waves occur simultaneously, the weather can be affected adversely.  Although I've never seen such a report, this could be the cause of bad weather during WW1.  A certain, unnamed individual who is currently President of the United States seems to feel this way about global climate change.  Sorry, but I don't know how to explain it more clearly, but as a career oceanographer I can attest that such events occur in the ocean, and the atmosphere mirrors the ocean.

 

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The solar cycle maximum was in 1917 so, if lower temperatures are usually associated with solar minimums, then the solar cycle

may not have had much influence. Sunspot data is at: http://www.sidc.be/silso/datafiles.

Afaik the world's climate is always changing. That this is now a political issue fuelled by people who really should know better is just

head shaking. 

Charlie

  



-- Edited by CharlieC on Saturday 26th of September 2020 09:57:13 PM

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Geology... I found these two article interesting I guess anyone whos read about the mine war will have read about the impervious blue clay under much of the region...

https://www.miningmagazine.com/mining-the-past/opinion/1263557/tunnelling-deep

https://www.geolsoc.org.uk/Geoscientist/Archive/April-2012/Officers-with-maps

and one for Gallipolli which may be of interest, the article is free to read but you need to join and use the "read 100 articles a month free" for independent researchers option:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3060508?read-now=1&seq=1

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