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Am building the 35th scale model by Luis Vargas - any idea what colour (if any) it was painted?

I'm leaning towards plain steel as it was so big, there was no point in camouflaging it!!

Looking at the photos, it does seem to be dark in some of them, but in others, not.



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I didn't know so went looking - Italian colour is "grigio-verde" (grey-green):

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missinglynx/italian-ww1-artillery-colors-t327280.html

The Lifecolors quoted are:

https://airbrushes.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=italian+army+world+war+ii&search_in_description=1&categories_id=202&inc_subcat=1

The lighter colour seems to be approximated by FS34201:

http://colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34201

The darker colour FS number is incorrect in the airbrushes page.

There are examples of the de Stefano mounts being painted in two different colours - a lighter carriage and darker barrel. Possibly not too surprising since

the barrels were derived from naval guns which had a fairly short operational life and the barrels would require changeout fairly often (say after 200-300 shots).

I haven't seen any images of guns with de Stafano mounts being painted in camouflage patterns although these were used for smaller calibre guns.

Regards,

Charlie

 



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Thanks, Charlie.

The Vargas kit is impressive, but the lines on the surfaces from the 3-D printing are irritating and will require lots of careful sanding. 

The bits are very brittle,  and my kit had a mis-cast wheel hub and two hooks missing.

Still, it's and interesting subject, as will the more impressive 203/45 D.S coming out soon.

Tony



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Interesting film on "Italian super Seige Artillery" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stJyrAMgE5E

Some of the artillery is not Italian; a 150 mm gun is neither super nor siege; but generally interesting - especially the Obice 305/17 with three land wheels and one rail wheel!!

The 1/35th CrielModel Mortaio da 210/8 D.S I'm building gives the colour as WWI Italian Military Green - Tamiya XF 58 (olive Green), which is much greener than the FS 34201, but I suppose it would fade towards the FS colour.

The FS 34508 reference certainly is not anywhere near the colour required as it is almost an emerald green and the FS 34201 is much different from the colorserver version  (I have the FS 595 colour chips).  It is to be noted that the Airbrush references are for WWII.

The Landships II article on the 210/8 show the Crielmodel in a light grey - looks very nice, but unless severely bleached by the sun would appear to be too light - too much grigio and not enough verde.

I suppose we're back to the same old story about the "correctness" of WWI paint colours!!



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The Missinglynx posts were talking about WW1 Italian artillery and the guy who seemed to know about the topic made reference to Lifecolor paints - the

airbrush site was one of the few which showed (approximately) what the colors looked like. It seems that the Italian Army didn't change it's 

paint colours between wars.

The video is a bit of a jumble of misidentified artillery pieces but there's some interesting stuff in there - the clip of the Obice 305/17 DS being towed by two Pavesi tractors

really shows off the de Stefano mount. The 150mm howitzer was a Krupp product originally but there were italian built modified versions to increase the

elevation - all of the variants were in the video. The 260mm howitzer was designed and built by Schneider - there was another fixed carriage version built by Ansaldo but I don't

know whether Schneider supplied the barrels for that version.

regards,

Charlie

 

 



-- Edited by CharlieC on Monday 6th of September 2021 11:26:19 PM

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