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I'm building a Mark IV Supply Tank based on the Takom kit. I was looking for some reference phots in the Beute-Tanks British Tanks in German Service Vol. 1/2 (Tankograd).

I've found a few nice pictures, but I have a question related to the escape hatch on driver's cabin. So far I thought that these were installed only on Supply Tanks. But the picture of the capured version suggest that thse were installed on normal tanks as well. So what's the true story? :)

If you take a closer look you'll see that these hatches are the same on both (one is partially hidden by a tree).



-- Edited by RobertP on Monday 29th of November 2021 03:31:39 PM

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From what I know, these top hatches were later installed on the Mk.IVS due to sponson rail transport. Once you collapse the sponsons in for rail transport, the drivers were basically trapped inside.



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The hatches in Beute Mark IV were added by the Germans.

All Mark IV Tenders were built with cab roof hatches.

A very small number of Mark IV Females were built with cab roof hatches - Britannia, the tank that toured the USA and Canada is an example. I believe there were no more than 20 such tanks. No Mark IV Males were built with cab roof hatches and these hatches are not late production additions - the last production Mark IVs were built by Armstrong Whitworth - the tank preserved in Brussels is one of these - and this does not have a hatch in the cab roof.

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Ah I see


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Are there any good pictures of this hatch? I don't think the German and the British versions are the same.
The only pictures I know are here:
landships.activeboard.com/t59125527/wip-converting-a-takom-male-mk-iv-into-a-supply-tank/



-- Edited by RobertP on Monday 6th of December 2021 11:38:03 AM

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Gwyn Evans wrote:

The hatches in Beute Mark IV were added by the Germans.
All Mark IV Tenders were built with cab roof hatches.
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Not entirely - at least 117 Dora and 120 Liesel had Mk.IV supply tank type hatches made in Britain in the cab roof. IMO, this indicates they had been supply tanks in their first life. And it also should indicate that their internal storage facilities were of the female type.

122 Lotte already had the - smaller - BAKP-20-made escape hatch. One may assume that all Beute tanks with ascendent numbers had this type of escape hatch as well.  

 

 



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mad zeppelin wrote:
Gwyn Evans wrote:

The hatches in Beute Mark IV were added by the Germans.
All Mark IV Tenders were built with cab roof hatches.
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Gwyn


Not entirely - at least 117 Dora and 120 Liesel had Mk.IV supply tank type hatches made in Britain in the cab roof. IMO, this indicates they had been supply tanks in their first life. And it also should indicate that their internal storage facilities were of the female type. 


No, that's not quite right.  There were 80 Mark IV Tenders produced by MCWF that had Male internal storage.  MCWF built 100 Tenders with Female internal storage and Beardmore built 25.  However, we can't be absolutely sure that the tanks used for 117 Dora and 120 Liesel were factory produced Tenders, as some were converted in France, and these might originally have been Male or Female.

Gwyn



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Found this picture when leafing through my stuff. Looks like an ordinary Mk.IV female - but evidently one with a cabin hatch. The backside only says its a postcard, no date or place given, yet one can see the original photograph was taken somewhere in England.



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165-BO-1691.jpg

 

German version.  Link to full size image; https://catalog.archives.gov/id/16581232



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Brittania, links to inside and outside views.

https://www.loc.gov/resource/hec.10735/

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/45508721



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