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Project as e new construction 1/35. Ivo from Czech RepublicCAR2.jpgCAR3.jpg

 



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Wow. Good luck

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Lebedenko tank used a simple radial pattern of spokes - this can be seen on the few images of the tank.

I made a 1:25 Lebedenko in card a few years ago - it took a long time to get over the experience, especially the wheels.

The blue and white scale cube in the image edge length is 50mm. 

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CharlieC wrote:

 I hate to be the bearer of bad news

 And I assume you are aware of that:
https://armorama.com/news/copper-state-models-tsar-tank


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No, I did say based on the few images of the tank - especially the image taken before the tank was scrapped in the 1920s.

http://landships/landships/tank_articles.html?load=/landships/tank_articles/Lebedenko.html

The modelling world is full of replicated errors such as the green Mark IV tanks - one plastic model company makes an error and the rest follow.

Charlie

 



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Sorry Charly, it seems that my bad englisch led to some misunderstanding. I just wanted to say, that I have some further bad news. Before starting this project, Yvo should take a look at the CSM facebook site. They are going to release that beast in 1/35 too!



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Good evening. Thank you for your response. Ivo

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CAR 12.jpgcar13.JPGcar16.JPGcar23.JPGcar115.JPG... further work progress ...



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Mcar07__1024x768px_74kB.jpgcar08__1024x768px_81kB.jpgcar09.JPGCAR14.jpgore work ...



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What is that photo in the background?

Below with "Yury Morozov artmaquette@mail.ru"



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Good day everyone. The photos show a tank model by Y. Morozov. It is one of the inspirations for me when building the model. Construction continues on wheels.


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... more work ...car41__3283x2701px_3039kB.jpgcar43__2300x1725px_345kB.jpgcar44__2304x1728px_301kB.jpgcar45__456x418px_41kB.jpg



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That looks like a fun project to undertake, especially if you have the tools to do it. This is a multi medium project for sure. I will follow this work and see how it turns out. Thanks for taking the time to photograph and post you work.

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Thank you, work has not stopped smile..car10__2004x1503px_120kB.jpgcar9__2004x1503px_110kB.jpgcar45__1000x750px_113kB.jpgcar105__2004x1503px_119kB.jpgcar111__2004x1503px_178kB.jpgCAR226__2204x1653px_160kB.jpgCAR229__2204x1653px_145kB.jpg.Ivo



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Great work looking forward to its completion 



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CAR2.JPGCAR3.JPGCAR5.JPGcar7.JPGcar8.JPGcar9.JPGcar10.JPGcar12.JPGThank you, work on the model continues ...



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I'm glad to see you are still working in this impressive undertaking. On Copper State Models Facebook page a few months back, they had mentioned about creating a kit in the 1/35th scale, but I have not seen any mention of their progress on it or if it is even still something they are going to undertake, so it is nice to see this one. Thanks for sharing your progress on this one.



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1:35 Lebedenko - a mere bagatelle - the Polish cardmodel publisher Wektor has a 1:25 Lebedenko. As a model, it's quite reasonable until you get to

the wheels when you realise the instructions are saying " this is what it should look like - you figure out how to build it ".

The wheels seem to have had radial spokes, unlike most spoked wheels.

Charlie

 



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Hello Charlie, you have already written about bad wheels twice in this thread. I assume that your solution is correct according to you - can you please post a detailed photo of the wire attachment on your model? The last photo is not clear enough...Thank you, Ivo

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I've got to pull the model out of storage and take some images - day or so.

I thought that it might be worth considering why the Lebedenko has a radial spoke pattern. You would expect that

something like scaled up spoke pattern on a bicycle wheel would be satisfactory. I don't know how many people today have tried

to rebuild a spoked wheel but from experience it's a nightmare even on small wheels. Once the spoke pattern is figured out and the spokes tied

together so the pattern isn't lost fitting the rim is a tedious and fiddly job. It takes ages to get the wheel hub centred and running without wobbling. 

Looking at the way the Lebedenko wheels seem to have been constructed they could have made on a simple jig with radial spokes you don't have

the concerns about fitting the rim over the spokes.

I found some images via Yandex which seem to be somewhat clearer than the tiny images in most western web pages - and an image of my model which shows 

the rim - I'll get some better images than this one.

The designer of the Wektor Lebedenko model designed a jig to build the wheels on - this proved to be essential. The spokes on my model are annealed 1mm Copperwire - they were painted black - the reason they are still Copper coloured in the image is the old "quick - get some images - I've finally finished it".  I've still got the jig around (somewhere) and will get an image of it.

Charlie  

 

   



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Hello, work continues... IvoCAR1.jpgCAR2.jpg



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Look good ! You have to wonder how it would have done on the battlefield 



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Hello gentlemen. The model is almost complete. Iam working a pedestal. IvoCARMG_3825__1801x1522px_386kB.jpgCAR IMG_3826__2004x1490px_300kB.jpg



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Very good work. Can you take a photo so we can see how big the model is, maybe a lighter or matchbox or coin next to it.

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I must admit, I never liked this tank, but you did a very fine job on this ugly chap! It's the finest model of it I have seen so far, and especially the weathering is top notch.

Congrats!



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Thank you gentlemen. There is a FT 17 1/35 to compare size. IvoCARMG_3828__4196x3158px_3640kB.jpg



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That's a really nice build and the weathering looks really well done. There are lots of detail differences between the cardmodels (1:25 and 1:48)

which isn't surprising considering the models are based on a handful of rather limited images (and a lot of guesswork).

The Lebedenko was a triumph of royal patronage over common sense - it would have been torn to fragments by artillery if it ever had appeared

on a battlefield.

Charlie

Edit - a thing we used to do in papermodelers.com was to take an image with a scale cube to give some idea of the physical size of a model. I got sneered at severely when i suggested that to some plastic modellers but I put that down to them inhaling glue and paint thinner fumes for too long. I've attached a simple scale cube.

 



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Amazing work...thank you..



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Hello everyone, construction is over. IvoC10__896x998px_77kB.jpgC9__1182x1121px_109kB.jpgC8__1081x923px_111kB.jpgC7__1081x888px_108kB.jpgC6__1259x945px_148kB.jpgC5__1081x811px_106kB.jpgC3__1981x1579px_259kB.jpgC2__1002x829px_96kB.jpgC1__1681x1326px_262kB.jpg



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Great work 



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Very nice model, bravo!

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