Landships II

Poniatowski · Major

RE: MK1 Tank Plans

MK1 Nut · Hero

Poniatowski wrote:

That gun / shield is from a Mk IV. I'd suggest contacting Mr. Fletcher at the Tank Museum. He has some wonderful drawings of the MkI mount, which is quite a bit different than the MkIV's.

However, these are the best photos of the MkIV mount I've ever seen. Very nice indeed!

Ron

Ooops� confuse yes it's a MKIV mount ... er ... umm ... er ... can I use the 'I was in a hurry' excuse!� smile

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Actually quickly changing the subject away from my mistake ... I have a number of pictures from Bovi I have taken over the years which I would love to add to the reference section. I will have to find out who to contact to make it happen.

Helen

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MK1 Nut · Hero

Oscar Zulu wrote:

Don't think I've chimed in on this thread yet, but have been following with great zeal since I signed up on the forums recently.� I've picked up the new [sic] Airfix Mk I Male and have been watching this thread as well as a few others so that I can get it as close to proper as as I can. Your enthusiasm to get this as right as possible is commendable. If I had to guess I would say your profession requires a skilled attention to detail--hard to say what, exactly, but of this I am sure!

I can't wait for the final product!� Any reason you plan on providing Landships a 1/32 vice 1/35 final product along with a 1/72?

Keep up the inspiring work!

Cheers!

Hi OZ

I wouldn't say it was an attention to detail as more wanting it correct as is possible confuse ... which with fuzzy photos and only one rusted and repaired original to go by, even I have to accept that some details will have to be a best guess.

My knowledge base comes from 24 years working in a model shop, selling a wide range of not just models, but building materials as well. I blame the customers for turning me into a rivet counter!� smile

My aim is to do a range of basic plans of the MK1 free to down load in what ever the popular scales may be! ... scales will be something I am open to suggestions on.

Helen

MK1 Nut · Hero

grumpyoldbrit wrote:

nice work helen.
thinking of building one myself, normally build boats but fancy a change.
just started doing a bit of research, found this thread, with a bit of help.
is there any chance of sending me youre drawings in AUTOCAD (or Turbo Cad, have that as well,but dont get on with it as Auto Cad, though the two are supposedly compatable, can open one in the other)? full time CAD man.
plan on doing my model at about 1/16th, but in cad scale is not a problem, print or veiw at any scale you like.
errr, at the risk of sounding picky, is there any reason you dimensioned out youre drawings via a table, rather than on the dimension lines?

-- Edited by grumpyoldbrit on Wednesday 13th of January 2010 02:30:31 PM

Hi Colin

My knowledge of CAD programs is 'very' basic, and I only know what I do through trial and error ... with the emphasis on the error!� smile

To be honest I have no idea what you mean by 'table' or 'dimension lines'. I do know when I went from AutoCad on my PC to TurboCad on my iMac something strange happened to the measurements ... I do miss the ease of printing in any scale the AutoCad offered.

I will see what I can do about a side view, although remember I am still moving stuff around so it's use will be more for getting an idea of size and shape which I am now �happy with.

Helen

kieffer · Commander in Chief

Hi Helen,

Guess the construction of the gun shield of a Mk IV won't differ that much from a Mk I. I still don't see any screws, bolts or what so ever on the outside. Makes it easier from the modellers point of view...

Regards, Kieffer

grumpyoldbrit · Private

Helen, yes i find Turbo cad not very inntuative, especialy printing. if you want them dimentioned out and set up for printing, i may be able to help, least have a go and tell you how it was done, if i manage it. if you want to give that a try send me a drawing. like to help if i can.
stirling work, all the best
colin

Poniatowski · Major

Helen,

No excuses necessary. It's VERY difficult sorting out all of these details and you're doing a marvelous job! I went up so many wrong alleys researching that MkI and looking for good references that when I either found something correct or was helped out by Bovington (David) it really made my day.

Ron

Poniatowski · Major

I'll try to scan the drawings from Bovington (I'm sure they wouldn't mind, since it would probably save them a lot of work sending them out to everybody; I'll email him to be sure)... the MkI shield is bolted on quite a bit differently and the gun cradle was simplified quite a bit for the Mk IV.

Ron

-- Edited by Poniatowski on Wednesday 20th of January 2010 01:55:34 AM

Poniatowski · Major

Here are the drawing scans.� David Fletcher said these could be posted IF I acknowledge that they're from Bovington. So, these are posted here with permission and kindness of The Tank Museum at Bovington, England.

Numbers 19 are the mounting brackets / bars.

is it just me or is photobucket becomming more of a pain in the butt to use?

smile

� Ron

-- Edited by Poniatowski on Thursday 21st of January 2010 12:08:53 AM

kieffer · Commander in Chief

Hi Ron,

great drawings, and thanks(Bovington too of course)� for sharing the info.
As far as I can see, the shield is bolted. I guess that on the outside there are sunken screws? Probably hard to see when a few layers of paint are applied.

Regards, Kieffer

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Ron and thanks for getting permission to show us the gun mount plans ... they will be a great help to me as I have not seen them before.

Just finished the top of the Tank to as near as any info I have will let me ... yes the lights are still the wrong shape but I am much happier now with the general detail of it all.

Should be in bed but just had to post it.� smile

Helen

Poniatowski · Major

Looks great Helen!� smile

�� Any further insights on the port behind the top hatch? confuse

Cheers!

Ron

-- Edited by Poniatowski on Thursday 21st of January 2010 02:05:45 AM

Oscar Zulu · Sergeant

Looking great! Major help in reworking my Airfix MkI

Cheers!

kieffer · Commander in Chief

Hi Helen,
talking about the lights, were these battery fed? Or like old fashioned bicycle lights, those who burnt on some chemical stuff you had to put in, carbid it was called?
And was there any illumination inside the tank, or was the crew just sitting there in the dark?
Regards,
Kieffer

Poniatowski · Major

David Fletcher mentions lighting inside of the tank, but I've no idea what it looked like or where it was. I also don't know if the lights were battery or magneto operated.

As a tanker, we usually left the lights off (even at night it was as minimal as possible), so the gunner could see better. You learned to do things by feel. Probably pretty similar with WWI tankers.

Ron

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Hi, this is a little off topic but should be found interesting. I've attached an audio of a WW1 tanker talking about the lights.

Ironsides · Legend

Hi Lincoln Tanker, didnt know you had to fill up the radiator from the outside....�Interesting snippet got any more like that... All good stuff..

Cheers smile

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Hi Ironsides, I've only got one more, not so good but at least it's a WW1 Tanker talking.

Poniatowski · Major

Those are super recordings! Interesting to say the least.

Cheers!

Ron

MERKAVA · Private

Hello,

Sorry but my english is very catastrophic...!!!

I built a tank mk1 scale 1/16 RC ( forum internet 17 ercpz " scratch " )

MERKAVA · Private

Comment post my photos of my tank ???

In FRENCH is possible ???

-- Edited by MERKAVA on Saturday 3rd of April 2010 06:12:39 PM

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Welcome to the group Merkava, It's good to have another scratch builder.

Where are your photos?

Babelfish translation.

Bienvenue au groupe Merkava, il est bon d'avoir un autre constructeur d'�raflure.

O� sont vos photos ?

MERKAVA · Private

Sorry but...no photos ... n'arrive pas � les mettre sur your forum...!!!

-- Edited by MERKAVA on Sunday 4th of April 2010 01:58:28 PM

MERKAVA · Private

http://17ercpz.xooit.fr/index.php

Photos of my tank and commentary ( in french of course ) here, rubrique " scratch "

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Merkava - si vous voulez attacher les dossiers......

MK1 Nut · Hero

RE: MK1 Tank Plans

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Everyone

Sorry I've not updated this thread for a while, I have only recently started again on my plans.

The attached drawing is of the rear of a male sponson. It is the first part to have been updated with Jim's measurements.

I hope you like!

Helen xx

kieffer · Commander in Chief

Hi Helen,

good to see you're back! And the drawing, just 'grote klasse', great!!

Kieffer

MK1 Nut · Hero

kieffer wrote:

Hi Helen,

good to see you're back! And the drawing, just 'grote klasse', great!!

Kieffer

Hi Kieffer

Thank You! xx

I now have the top view of the sponsons done, and again I need to thank Jim for his measurements.

I have coloured some rivets green to highlight their different spacing to all the others. I guess this has something to do with the internal construction.� confuse

I'm still struggling with the side view of the male sponson, I may actually need some more measurements before I can finish it.

Still good fun!

Helen xx

kieffer · Commander in Chief

MK1 Nut wrote:

I have coloured some rivets green to highlight their different spacing to all the others. I guess this has something to do with the internal construction.�

Hi Helen! One day we'll find out why things were done! The beauty of these tanks is that every detail has a function. No decoration and still looking pretty, I wish I could say that from myself!

Thank you again, that's great artwork you made again!!

regards Kieffer

Poniatowski · Major

Hey Helen!

Glad you're back working again. It's nice to take a break once in a while, well, NECESSARY, is more the word, I think. I've been away a while too. Building 1/24 WWII aircraft for a while here, as well as a Mercury spacecraft. That was fun.

Yeah, rivet spacing...� Like Kieffer said, finding out the 'why' is what makes it fun and at times frustrating.�� Yeah, nothing was done on these without a reason by either the factory, work shops or crews.

Regards!

Ron

-- Edited by Poniatowski on Monday 31st of May 2010 04:43:31 PM

-- Edited by Poniatowski on Monday 31st of May 2010 04:43:57 PM

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Ron

I think I needed it, and now I'm ready to see it through to the end this time.

I will be at this years Bovington Tankfest ... just got to get my timing right, so I can get some measurements between the arena events! confuse

Helen xx

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi All

Just quick post to let you know I haven't fallen off the end of the world.

Things this year have certainly not gone to plan, and just after my statement above, the plans for the MK1 were shelved... yet again.

It has been over a year now since I managed a trip to Bovi, and starting to get withdraw symptoms. I am still short a few measurements for the male sponsons... my fault, I left them off my last wish list.

I am hoping that I can get to Bovi before Christmas as I'm pretty stumped without them.

I just wanted to let everyone I was still about, and more importantly that the help you have all given me has not been wasted.

I will show the correct panels I have managed to do without the missing measurements.

Helen x

MK1 Nut · Hero

These are the panels to the correct measurements...

The only detail of contention is the 'L' beam (in red) on the roof of the sponson.

I don't have one clear picture or measurement that confirms its angle. The spacing of the rivets tells me it is correct... but I look at photos and it looks straight! confuse

Helen x

-- Edited by MK1 Nut on Sunday 17th of October 2010 08:36:22 PM

kieffer · Commander in Chief

Hi Helen, nice to see you're back again!

Rhomboid · Field Marshal

Here's a view of the underside of the MkI female sponson, on a MkII wreck near Monchy destroyed in April 1917.

Mark Hansen · Legend

MK1 Nut wrote:

These are the panels to the correct measurements...

The only detail of contention is the 'L' beam (in red) on the roof of the sponson.
I don't have one clear picture or measurement that confirms its angle. The spacing of the rivets tells me it is correct... but I look at photos and it looks straight!

Helen x

-- Edited by MK1 Nut on Sunday 17th of October 2010 08:36:22 PM

Helen, I think you have it right. The beam does appear at first glance to be at 90� to the body of the tank but looking more closely at the two best sponson roof shots (not that there are many) shows that it probably is at a slight angle as you have drawn it. Attached are the two shots I used.

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MK1 Nut · Hero

Thanks for that picture, I did manage to run my camera along the underside of the female sponson when I was there last, but an overall pic is very useful.

Helen x

Date: Nov 24, 2010

Hi All
New to the site, I'm looking at building a scale model out of steel and for rivets using 3mm solid rivets and scale this from the original size rivets, any body know what size they were??

Cheers Dave

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Everyone

Well with a bit of luck my life should have settled enough now; to dust off my plans and get on with them again.

Yeah OK! OK! I know you can't dust off electronic plans... I was talking metaphorically! :)

Anyhow, thanks to some friends I at looooong last made it to Bovington.

Whilst making a complete anorak of myself; I succeeded in getting the measurements I needed to get my Sponson the right shape, so watch this space.

My friends took such delight in watching me behave like an obsessive geek... they took some pictures!�

I am five foot seven, you would think I could just look at the roof of the sponson without making a fool of myself!

Helen x

-- Edited by MK1 Nut on Wednesday 23rd of February 2011 09:17:53 PM