Landships II

Marty · Sergeant

RE: MK1 Tank Plans

MK1 Nut · Hero

YOUNG!!! omg! omg! OMG! <3<3<3

I am now on the wrong side of forty and starting to fall apart. (;_;)

Hi Marty

To be serious for a moment; my interest in military history actually comes from the fact my Dad, who is now 88 and very much still with us, served on RN Cruisers during the War.

When I hear my Dads stories of Convoy shielding duties in the Mediterranean and to Russia, it brings home just how very real it was.

As for 'why' a Tank? Well a Landship called Mother was just something I was bound to fall in love with. :)

I just like to challenge myself in different ways, and my plans are just a part of that. Although my friends wish I would hurry up so they can start building.

Right I had better go... my kerosene lamp needs filling before dark, and I fancy a cigar! :)

Helen x

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THE OLD LANCER · Colonel

Sweetheart, you bring a ray of sunshine to a somewhat formal proceedings, and can we have some more pic's to brighten up us oldies!

THE OLD LANCER

Marty · Sergeant

MK1 Nut wrote:

YOUNG!!! omg! omg! OMG! <3<3<3
I am now on the wrong side of forty and starting to fall apart. (;_;)
Hi Marty
To be serious for a moment; my interest in military history actually comes from the fact my Dad, who is now 88 and very much still with us, served on RN Cruisers during the War.
When I hear my Dads stories of Convoy shielding duties in the Mediterranean and to Russia, it brings home just how very real it was.

As for 'why' a Tank? Well a Landship called Mother was just something I was bound to fall in love with. :)
I just like to challenge myself in different ways, and my plans are just a part of that. Although my friends wish I would hurry up so they can start building.

Right I had better go... my kerosene lamp needs filling before dark, and I fancy a cigar! :)
Helen x

Well, one never really falls apart.
But the truth is one usually in time will have to reach farther to get a hold what they had.

Your father will be proud of your efforts I am sure.

And again, I do admire your devotion to history.

Don't forget to trim the wick, and enjoy the stogie.

All the best, --Marty
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MK1 Nut · Hero

OK back to work, and what a lot of alterations just a few measurements made!�

I've posted both the new side view of the MK1 Male Sponson, and a composite image of old and new sponsons. The green sponson being the old one.

When I received the measurements my heart sunk a little. I was glad for the information and the chance to get things right... but I realised I was going to have to check a whole load of extra measurements, which in turn was going to have a knock on effect on the side view of the tank.

My trip to Bovington seems to have done the trick and I'm finally getting to grips with the shape and details of this loverly old tank.

Helen x

Potatopanzer · Sergeant

HELLO MK 1 NUT!!!
I was researching WW1 Tanks( little Willie and Mother)�and came upon this site by accident and fell in love with your wonderful work. Helen I just turned 50 and you look a heck of a lot better than I AND you're the first woman I have seen showing such interest in what my EXwife called "little boys toys" Keep up the good work, Wish I could draw as well as you!

From across the "pond"
Jim

Anything with tracks!!!!

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Everyone

Just finished tweaking the side view, incorporating the new sponson.
As I half expected, the new sponson showed up an inaccuracy in the shape of the side view. This has resulted in a shallower curve to the hull, just in front of the sponson.

I tried to to a combined Old (red) and New (black) Image, but it's not very clear... still it should give you an idea of the new shape.

Phew! getting there!

Helen x

Potatopanzer · Sergeant

Hello Helen,
I was looking at your Fab plans and found the image in this post-Wonderful!!!
What scale are you drawing them at? and may I download them to "try"(emphasis on try)�and produce a
reasonable facsimile?� Wow big words! my fingers are tird in knots

Jim

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Jim

My intention when finished is to gift this site a set of plans in several popular modelling sizes. All I ask is in return is anyone using them doesn't pass them off as their own, and mentions this Site as there source.

I'm not quite there yet, only today I realised that I've made a mistake with my side view. I really can't believe how I did it, but I added the new sponson to an 'OLD' side view!
It's not the end of the world, but it adds delays, which is why I won't give myself a deadline.

Having said that, my friends are keen for me to finish, as they want to build a 1:6 scale RC model... and to be honest I'm just as keen to see one or more built.

Oh and the plans are on a CAD program, so are in one to one scale, and I just change the scale to suite the modellers needs.

Helen x

Potatopanzer wrote:

Hello Helen,
I was looking at your Fab plans and found the image in this post-Wonderful!!!
What scale are you drawing them at? and may I download them to "try"(emphasis on try)�and produce a
reasonable facsimile?� Wow big words! my fingers are tird in knots

Jim

kieffer · Commander in Chief

MK1 Nut wrote:

�All I ask is in return is anyone using them doesn't pass them off as their own,

No, we (if I may speak for others too)� won't do such, all credits to you and all the work you'r doing, and sharing!

�and mentions this Site as there source.
and that we will do, and don't forget your copy right symbol!
regards, Kieffer

Mark Hansen · Legend

MK1 Nut wrote:

...�and mentions this Site as there source...

Shouldn't be a problem for anyone except the plagiarist files; I'm sorry, the patriot files. I would check there once you've posted them just to make sure that they don't suddenly appear on that site. Of course, the owner will claim that it is to make sure that such a wonderful resource doesn't disappear - but oddly he doesn't seem to give credit or take kindly to being shown to be a thief.

MK1 Nut · Hero

Yes it was the Plagiarist Files... Ooops Patriot Files I was thinking of! :)

The People on this site helped me get these plans right, and I want those who make use of them to be aware of that.�

When finished, who would I have to ask to put some kind of Landships Logo or www address on them?

Helen x

Mark Hansen wrote:

MK1 Nut wrote:

...�and mentions this Site as there source...

Shouldn't be a problem for anyone except the plagiarist files; I'm sorry, the patriot files. I would check there once you've posted them just to make sure that they don't suddenly appear on that site. Of course, the owner will claim that it is to make sure that such a wonderful resource doesn't disappear - but oddly he doesn't seem to give credit or take kindly to being shown to be a thief.

Mark Hansen · Legend

I think the best person to contact would be CharlieC or PDA.

Potatopanzer · Sergeant

Helen�� credit and more to You! Thank you for taking on such a task and producing high quality drawings! I took a college level drafting
class but found it wasn't for me... I can build as 98% here can build
from half way decent drawings---BUT to draw and build is special!!!

Oh, as a side note: I bought CV9040B plans/drawings from SPHF a Swedish Armor site, I wanted to build the thing in a larger scale so search the 'net and Armorama/Missing links or Finescale modeler�can't remember who had a way to calculate copier settings up or down.
And it works!!! I went to the local STAPLES and set the copier for 1/16 scale, 219% origional I think and well it worked! centering
the drawing was a pain in the !@!#$ but it worked.

Mr Hansen, Sir, I donated some money to the op fund�here did you receive it? There has been a tragedy in my family recently and that was all I can afford at this time, Hope to send more in the coming
months.

This is a GREAT SITE� WW1 ARMOR!!! let's keep it going!!!!

MK1 Nut · Hero

when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains,�however improbable, must be the truth

This famous quote of Sherlock Holmes, rings so true when it comes to drawing a Tank you can't get close to!

I have been struggling quite badly with the shape of the male sponsons. With all the measurements I have, you would think it easy!... but I just couldn't get the damn thing to square up!!

Well I found the problem... YES!!!

I had the base plate parallel with the side of the tank for it's whole length. In fact it gets wider towards the front.

It's not easy to explain, so I have attached some images form my plans.

This also means I now have the correct shape for the front view of the sponson as well.

Helen x

Potatopanzer · Sergeant

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

biggrin Spock said the very same thing in one of the STAR TREK movies, Quoting a famous

human ancestor of his. smile

Seriously there is always some deviation in manufacturing and this is very early manufacturing to boot. All the different planes and angles can give ya the willies trying to figure out from a photo! or drawing!

Impressive work Helen!

MK1 Nut · Hero

Ok here's the first panel finished. Any alterations you can think of, let me know.

The box around the edge is for printing the image to any desired scale, although beyond 1/32 I'm going to have to work out another type of down loadable file for extra detail.

The box around the edge represents in full size measurements... 500cm x 1000cm

So for 1/72 the box needs to be printed at 6.95cm x 13.16cm

Give it a try and let me know how you get on.

Have fun!

Helen x

-- Edited by MK1 Nut on Tuesday 5th of April 2011 12:29:38 PM

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Superb Helen!!

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Potatopanzer · Sergeant

Mark Hansen · Legend

Excellent drawing, Helen. Can't wait for the rest.

MK1 Nut · Hero

Thanks everyone xx I am now officially blushing!

I've just lightened the image a bit, as I noticed it had a grey look when printed. It's only a test sheet, and after some advice I may go for a PDF format for better definition.

I am thinking now of using just one image per sheet, that way you get to see more detail before shrinking it to scale.

Here's a front panel test, just noticed the image isn't central.... grrrrrr

The surrounding box is 500cm x 500cm this time.

Helen x

Potatopanzer · Sergeant

Hello Helen xxto you too, PDF would be excellent, wish I could help somehow.

Fantastic as always.

jim-jo · Corporal

Hi everyone,

It is great to be back on this site and to catch up on everything that has been going on since I was last online here. First off I would love to congratulate Helen on the continued excellence on her superb plans and research work ... xoxoxo ... smile I am looking forward to getting up to speed on what you have been doing lately and to see where I can help you further as I have another planned visit to Bovington next month.

Now where am I with my project "Little Willie" ? Well, to be honest i have been so busy with so many things up until now that it has been impossible to set any time aside for continuing my project, however things are looking up and will soon have a workshop for my business that will also provide me with sufficient workspace that can be set aside for building a 1/4 scale rc model of the Little Willie. The first thing I am working on is a modification of the original design for the track plates which will hopefully reproduce the actual functioning of the real design without too much compromise, but more on that over the next few weeks.

Thank you all and its great to be back with like minded and enthusiastic peeps such as yourselves.

Kind regards

Jim Peckham

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Jim,

Nice to see you back, and such good news, a Workshop of your own".... you must feel like a kid in a toyshop!� smile

The plans have kinda ground to a holt at the point of the hydraulic tail wheel mechanism. I can't even blame a lack of information.... I have lots n lots n lots of photos... but no measurements.

As for the track, when I was chatting with the guys about a working model of a MK1, we thought something of a compromise. By that I mean detail on the outer edges but going for strength in the middle.

There was something similar in a recent forum post for a static model.... Tank Track.

Right tea break over.

Helen x

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Quote from Helen :- ��The only problem I can see is the MK2 is now in the main hall, and I don't know how they are about visiters running tape measures over the exhibits.

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I have found the museum staff most helpful concerning measurement requests, if using rubbery fridge magnets as a size comparision I would make the staff aware and ask permission, it can look rather odd putting fridge magnets on a tank :)

The attitude is somewhat different to Kubinka Museum, read the warning!!!�

http://www.tankmuseum.ru/inf.html

-- Edited by LincolnTanker on Thursday 9th of February 2012 12:35:29 AM

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Jim,

There is something you can do for me....�

Somehow I seemed to forget I still need measurements for the Female Sponson plans.� confuse

If I post some plan views can you see what you can get. The only problem I can see is the MK2 is now in the main hall, and I don't know how they are about visiters running tape measures over the exhibits.

Thanks for the offer and I will post them here. If you are unable to get any measurements, don't worry, don't want you getting into trouble for me.

Helen x

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Jim, Me again! :)

So that I don't forget again... or if someone else out there is going to Bovington... here's the pic showing the measurements I need.

Thanks xxx

Helen x

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Chris,

That Russian Museum sounds so welcoming..... not!

Mind that was some years ago, things may be different these days.

I used to have a little 10cm gridded sqaure I used to use for scaling small items. Unfortunately for large areas only a tape measure will do.

Helen x

LincolnTanker · Commander in Chief

Hi Helen, the staff have allowed me the use of tape measures without any problem. �

jim-jo · Corporal

Hi there everyone,

Thanks for the welcome back Helen xoxoxo, and from Chris and everyone else too (kisses and hugs too if you want them ... lol smile ).

Before I go to bovington which I am expecting to do mid to late march this year I will be phoning up first and making all the necessary requests for permission to take detailed photos and measurements.

Like last time there was no problem with me doing this, and as you all know we must always cite BTM as the main source and give credit where credit is due.

I have already printed off your designs Helen and as before I will do my best to ensure I can get all the measurements you need, and if you require anything else just let me know.

Should be moving into the workshop in just over two weeks time then will be making a start on my project for the Little Willie. The first thing I think would be best to do is to make up a mock body shell at 1/4 scale to give a better understanding of what will entail with any final metal build model. This will also help calculate final weight. Do youthink i should start a separate thread for the Little Willie project, as this is Mk1 Tank design ?

See you all soon.

Jim

MK1 Nut · Hero

Hi Jim,

Probably best if you start a new thread on this project as I can think of a few who would love to get involved.

I for one will be following it.

Helen x

MehdiT · Lieutenant

Hello Helen, I have just read through this thread with a great deal of interest. I am just embarking on a project to learn 3D CAD through creation of a model of a Mk IV tank. I am awaiting a package of prints from Bovington and have been scouring the internet for images and books on the subject. Ultimately I plan to build 1/12 scale models of most varients of the Mk I through Mk V tanks.

I am purchasing a copy of Alibre Design Pro as my 3D CAD package after a ton of research and trial versions of many products. Fortunately I work for a company that manufactures gas turbine engines so I have some pretty good engineering talen to help me when I get stuck.

I'll try to post to a thread as I start making progress, I''ll posta link here.

Keep up the great work

Andrew

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Date: Jul 13, 2014

Hi Helen, Are your plans available to buy at 1/16 scale? I'm not a memeber off the forum, I tried to register but I can't do it for some reason. If they are available printed at 1/16 scale please can you let me know. Thanks. James.

Rectalgia · Legend

Bump. Since he has no profile - James is from the UK.

MK1 Nut · Hero

Sorry, It would appear I've missed a few emails. I will try and work out some answers today.

Helen x

Tonys · Field Marshal

Stunning news, would love to build a Little Willie to a decent scale (120mm).

Tony

JohnD · Private

Hi All - many thanks for the comprehensive information and photos: really helpful for all series.

What are all the vertical and horizontal slots/slits in various places around the tank, cupola (5), sponsons, and turrets (likely slighting slots)? I'm building the new Tamiya MK IV (Male) and it's a great kit, but all these slots are filled in. I studied all your photos but don't have a definitive answer. Should they be opened up - all or some - or left closed?

Very many thanks,

John

thorst · Colonel

The slits are periscope openings. You would not directly see through them, which is why I leave the ones on my model closed and paint them darkish-glossy.

Thorsten

JohnD · Private

Thorsten - thank you. This makes sense. By the way, really nice work on your "Female" build.

Best regards,

John

MK1 Nut · Hero

YES!!!! Guess who finally got to Bovington Tank Museum! biggrin

Once more I have roamed the Halls for information on First World war Tanks and now have some measurements for the Female Sponson for the MK1 Tank. :)

Only managed the the basic shape so far, but wanted to share. The strange shape to the back edge of the sponson is to do with the 1/6 scale model build, so ignore that bit.

Helen x